X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:07:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [70.62.14.124] (HELO server1.USTEK) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTP id 3230428 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:21:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=70.62.14.124; envelope-from=r.simon@ustek.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C932AE.E8A0ADF4" Subject: RE: [LML] TSIO-550 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 08:25:15 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] TSIO-550 Thread-Index: AckyrugUHw2xOHM/TVOY7Zg9ghTLbQ== From: "Lancair" X-Original-Sender: "Robert Simon" X-Original-To: "Craig Berland" , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C932AE.E8A0ADF4 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C932AE.E8A0ADF4" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C932AE.E8A0ADF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Art, you are correct. The real BSFC of the TSIO 550 is very close to 0.4 lb / HP*hr or 15 hp*hr/gal Craig Berland Robert, all the numbers I have seen for a TSIO-550E with 8.5/1 is 14.9hp/gal FF where did the 13.73hp/gal FF come from? not from George I would guess. Art =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------------- =20 Craig et al, =20 Got the numbers diect from GAMI. Here are the snips:=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From: John-Paul Townsend [mailto:john-paul@gami.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:15 AM To: Lancair Subject: RE: LeanTest 13.53 hp/gph while LOP.=20 =20 From: Robert Simon [mailto:r.simon@ustek.com] On Behalf Of Lancair Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:11 AM To: John-Paul Townsend Subject: RE: LeanTest John-Paul, My compression is 7.3:1. Any estimate on that HP/GPH number? Robert ________________________________ From: John-Paul Townsend [mailto:john-paul@gami.com]=20 Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:48 PM To: Lancair Subject: RE: LeanTest On 8.5:1 compression ratio engines, the number is 13.73 HP/GPH while LOP. It will be different for other compression ratios. Thanks, John-Paul =20 John-Paul Townsend - Sales/Support Manager General Aviation Modifications, Inc. john-paul@gami.com =20 =20 From: Robert Simon [mailto:r.simon@ustek.com] On Behalf Of Lancair Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:26 PM To: John-Paul Townsend Subject: RE: LeanTest Question about the rule of thumb from GPH to HP: =20 I have seen multipliers used as high as 14.3 and as low as 13.7 (yours as I recall). Could you confirm that the 13.7 is correct whilst running LoP? Robert ------_=_NextPart_002_01C932AE.E8A0ADF4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Art, you are = correct. The=20 real BSFC of the TSIO 550 is very close to 0.4 lb / HP*hr or 15 = hp*hr/gal =20 Craig=20 Berland

Robert, all the numbers I have seen for a = TSIO-550E with=20 8.5/1 is =20 14.9hp/gal = FF where=20 did the 13.73hp/gal FF come from?

not from = George I=20 would guess.  =20 Art  

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Craig et = al,
 
Got the numbers diect from GAMI.  = Here are the=20 snips: 
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
From:=20 John-Paul Townsend [mailto:john-paul@gami.com]
Sent: Tuesday, = October=20 07, 2008 10:15 AM
To: Lancair
Subject: RE:=20 LeanTest
13.53 hp/gph while = LOP.

  

From:=20 Robert Simon [mailto:r.simon@ustek.com] On Behalf Of=20 Lancair
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 8:11 = AM
To:=20 John-Paul Townsend
Subject: RE:=20 LeanTest

John-Paul,

 My compression is 7.3:1.  = Any=20 estimate on that HP/GPH number?

 Robert


From:=20 John-Paul Townsend [mailto:john-paul@gami.com]
Sent: Monday, = October=20 06, 2008 4:48 PM
To: Lancair
Subject: RE:=20 LeanTest

On = 8.5:1=20 compression ratio engines, the number is 13.73 HP/GPH while LOP.  = It will=20 be different for other compression ratios.

 Thanks,

 John-Paul

 3Dheader

John-Paul = Townsend -=20 Sales/Support Manager

General Aviation = Modifications,=20 Inc.

john-paul@gami.com

 

From:=20 Robert Simon [mailto:r.simon@ustek.com] On Behalf Of=20 Lancair
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:26 = PM
To:=20 John-Paul Townsend
Subject: RE:=20 LeanTest

Question = about the rule=20 of thumb from GPH to HP: 

I have seen = multipliers=20 used as high as 14.3 and as low as 13.7 (yours as I=20 recall).

Could you = confirm that=20 the 13.7 is correct whilst running LoP?

 Robert

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