X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:47:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.70] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with SMTP id 3114686 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:43:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 8612 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Sep 2008 20:43:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JSfdX2rn8HQbFNbcnPgeLxp4uSrIS3cn5Zs8sp0iUChIe2aVvLidMTBrEir8NUCCdy3NctEXkLQ2dOHGX8IiOwxT9qOtmJQyaBF4Zso3RSuI3MXcB8bVCzCSVJuJUaAEIC48OYSLP+Qvk6W5vba4TL1kl1gxxA1G6IhR7YFaWfg=; X-YMail-OSG: EJKAbMoVM1m0G7IYeQIaXiOncdaIf6ptuckBeEOhoVRbfZyGYoKYjyrGiKB28bSHCQ-- Received: from [216.45.110.202] by web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:43:36 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 X-Original-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Zavatson Reply-To: chris_zavatson@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Legacy video X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-270217950-1220561016=:8017" X-Original-Message-ID: <608990.8017.qm@web36902.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --0-270217950-1220561016=:8017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This NTSB report makes the accident sound like a departure stall during ini= tial climb out.=A0 It states the intent was to do a high speed pass.=A0 Als= o, the accident time is listed as just one minute after departure. There was, however,=A0a Glasair=A0that crashed into homes=A0in a Sacramento= area neighborhood while doing low level aerobatics. --- On Tue, 9/2/08, vtailjeff@aol.com wrote: From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy video To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 8:04 PM Ron, I see you are well read, as well. How about checking out http://ntsb.gov/nt= sb/brief2.asp?ev_id=3D20001212X18687&ntsbno=3DATL99LA083&akey=3D1=A0 This a= ccident was a high speed low altitude pass with a bad barrel roll at the en= d. The aircraft was "Dreamcatcher", an award winning Lancair seen at Oshkos= h in=A0the 90's. The pilot bought the aircraft from the builder, took a ver= y short aerobatic course of instruction and then performed an impromptu air= show for his friends--funeral five days later.=20 If you are not concerned about how other's fly you should NOT be a CFI. Jeff CFI I don't know of any accidents doing aerobatics so far.=A0 Ron -----Original Message----- From: RMiller904@aol.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 6:49 am Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy video I think people should worry about how they can fly not how others fly there= planes. I watched the you tube and it was very mild, how can anyone even f= ind anything wrong with that? Worry more about the so called experts that f= ly IFR solid with the little planes. The Lancair is not hard to fly, it fly= s great and is a safe plane, also some of them are good for mild aerobatics= , I don't know of any accidents doing aerobatics so far.=A0 Ron =A0 www.ronsflying.com =A0=20 =A0 In a message dated 8/29/2008 7:11:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vtailjeff@= aol.com writes: John, Bryan & other like minded individuals, In case you have been living on another planet these last few months you ma= y not be aware of the crisis our deceased Lancair brethren have created.=20 1. If you own a Lancair IV series aircraft you have been informed by AIG th= at they will not renew your insurance policy due to the Lancair losses this= past year (and not all Lancair losses are IV's). Although I was paying ove= r $7000/ year for hull and liability-- I may not be able to get it at all. = Thank you very much.=A0 2. The FAA is seriously=A0considering making mandatory initial training by = an approved CFI prior to acting as PIC. Thank you very, very=A0much. These aircraft are not toys. Please fly responsibly. We do not need any mor= e accidents. If you post your stuff on youtube.com--do not be shocked that = someone thinks negatively of you actions.=20 Best Regards, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: marv@lancair.net To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 1:53 pm Subject: [LML] Legacy video Posted for "Jon Socolof" : =A0Hi,=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I've never posted on the LML before but I'd like to respond to those unh= appy =A0with the Legacy videos.=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I posted a video of my Legacy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhtM9K3BwX= bU and =A0what you see is a "low approach" directly over the runway a maneuver tha= t is =A0perfectly legal and safe. Everybody I have met that has seen the video h= as =A0enjoyed it.=A0=A0I'm sorry that some feel it demonstrates reckless behav= ior, I =A0simply disagree. I built my airplane to enjoy and I'm proud of the video= we =A0shot.=A0=A0For those that may be unhappy with my video I'd rather you ju= st =A0appreciate it for what it is and go on your way without comment.=20 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jon Socolof =A0 =A0Legacy 212XP =A0 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More!=20 It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! =0A=0A=0A= --0-270217950-1220561016=:8017 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This NTSB report makes the accident sound like a departure stall during initial climb out.  It states the intent was to do a high speed pass.  Also, the accident time is listed as just one minute after departure.
There was, however, a Glasair that crashed into homes in a Sacramento area neighborhood while doing low level aerobatics.

--- On Tue, 9/2/08, vtailjeff@aol.com <vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote:
From: vtailjeff@aol.com <vtailjeff@aol.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy video
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Tuesday, September 2, 2008, 8:04 PM

Ron,

I see you are well read, as well. How about checking out http://ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001212X18687&ntsbno=ATL99LA083&akey=1  This accident was a high speed low altitude pass with a bad barrel roll at the end. The aircraft was "Dreamcatcher", an award winning Lancair seen at Oshkosh in the 90's. The pilot bought the aircraft from the builder, took a very short aerobatic course of instruction and then performed an impromptu airshow for his friends--funeral five days later.

If you are not concerned about how other's fly you should NOT be a CFI.

Jeff
CFI
I don't know of any accidents doing aerobatics so far.  Ron



-----Original Message-----
From: RMiller904@aol.com
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 6:49 am
Subject: [LML] Re: Legacy video

I think people should worry about how they can fly not how others fly there planes. I watched the you tube and it was very mild, how can anyone even find anything wrong with that? Worry more about the so called experts that fly IFR solid with the little planes. The Lancair is not hard to fly, it flys great and is a safe plane, also some of them are good for mild aerobatics, I don't know of any accidents doing aerobatics so far.  Ron
 
www.ronsflying.com
 
 
In a message dated 8/29/2008 7:11:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vtailjeff@aol.com writes:
John, Bryan & other like minded individuals,

In case you have been living on another planet these last few months you may not be aware of the crisis our deceased Lancair brethren have created.

1. If you own a Lancair IV series aircraft you have been informed by AIG that they will not renew your insurance policy due to the Lancair losses this past year (and not all Lancair losses are IV's). Although I was paying over $7000/ year for hull and liability-- I may not be able to get it at all. Thank you very much. 

2. The FAA is seriously considering making mandatory initial training by an approved CFI prior to acting as PIC. Thank you very, very much.

These aircraft are not toys. Please fly responsibly. We do not need any more accidents. If you post your stuff on youtube.com--do not be shocked that someone thinks negatively of you actions.


Best Regards,

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: marv@lancair.net
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 1:53 pm
Subject: [LML] Legacy video

Posted for "Jon Socolof" <jsocolof@ershire.com>:

 Hi,
 
 
 
 I've never posted on the LML before but I'd like to respond to those unhappy
 with the Legacy videos.
 
 
 
 I posted a video of my Legacy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htM9K3BwXbU and
 what you see is a "low approach" directly over the runway a maneuver that is
 perfectly legal and safe. Everybody I have met that has seen the video has
 enjoyed it.  I'm sorry that some feel it demonstrates reckless behavior, I
 simply disagree. I built my airplane to enjoy and I'm proud of the video we
 shot.  For those that may be unhappy with my video I'd rather you just
 appreciate it for what it is and go on your way without comment.
 
 
 
 Jon Socolof
 
 Legacy 212XP
 



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