Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #48736
From: Matt Hapgood <matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Simulators, Training and "Slow flight"
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:47:18 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
You can also log those same instrument procedures with a $2000 PC training device. 

My point is that it won't help with aircraft specific systems and emergency procedures training. 

Matt Hapgood

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On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:33 AM, "Ted Noel" <tednoel@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Matt,
 
I understand no type certificate from the Motus, but unless I was misled, I can log instrument time in it toward all training and currency requirements.
 
Ted
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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:05 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Simulators, Training and "Slow flight"

Not to get too technical, but that Motus equipment is not, in FAA dfinition, a simulator. It is a Flight Training Device, not a simulator. And there is a monumental difference between the two. Simulators are extremely accurate reproductions of the cockpit and flight modelling. Flight Training Devices are very different and serve a very different purpose, and the vast, vast majority make no effort to accurately model flight dynamics, and are therefore not credited by the FAA for performing aircraft specific training. They are focused on training approaches and other generic training. Not aircraft specific procedures or systems training.  

Matt Hapgood
FlyRight Inc
704-720-9623

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On Aug 29, 2008, at 5:15 PM, "Ted Noel" <tednoel@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

 
 MS Flight Sim and X-Plane, while fun and educational, are not up to the challenge of providing the kind of fidelity needed for type familiarity, let alone upset recovery training. 
 
 
That's curious. The designers of X-Plane are quite proud of their flight dynamics, and my local FBO uses X-Plane to drive an FAA-certified Motus motion sim.
 
 
 
That being said, if a group was serious about creating a high-fidelity simulator, I would be please to contribute to the effort with the development of a high fidelity aerodynamic model.   The variations between our individual aircraft remain a challenge, but from mostly from a systems level.  The aero models could be readily adapted model the range of variations between our aircraft.  

Tom Low

I think all of us would be grateful for your help. Perhaps we could pass the hat to reimburse for the time and effort. If others are willing, I'll put some $$ in.

Ted Noel

N540TF

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