X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:26:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.12.143.99] (HELO imo-m11.mail.aol.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.7) with ESMTP id 3112099 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:08:39 -0400 Received: from RMiller904@aol.com by imo-m11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id q.c15.22f87c2a (29672) for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: RMiller904@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:08:38 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Lancair Ivs, Insurance, F4 Bailouts, and the Farmers Daughter X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1220436518" X-Mailer: Unknown sub 34 X-Spam-Flag:NO -------------------------------1220436518 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en I agree totally Bryan, I have had a few calls asking how slow can I fly my =20 lancair and how it will handle. I say, why do you ever want to fly your lanc= air=20 slow? Why not learn to fly it fast? Do you ever need to go slow in one? NO=20 you don't, learn to land them at a speed where you have a lot of room left=20= for=20 error. Ron =20 _www.ronsflying.com_ (http://www.ronsflying.com/)=20 In a message dated 9/2/2008 11:12:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 j.hafen@comcast.net writes: Bryan asks, =E2=80=9Cwhat does that mean for Lancair=E2=80=99s future?=E2= =80=9D if the IV series=20 becomes uninsurable. More germane to me is the question of owning a $500k asset that is=20 uninsurable. And if I don=E2=80=99t want it because it is uninsurable, th= en who would? Right now, I=E2=80=99m happy to have the privilege of paying almost $10k pe= r year to=20 insure N413AJ. I hope it stays insurable and the rate doesn=E2=80=99t cont= inue to=20 increase. As we discuss safety and slow flight and spins and knowing the=20 characteristics of an individual planes and etc., I flashed back to my time= in the USAF. I logged about 1,000 hours as an F4 back-seater. We practiced the ejection= =20 sequence on a mechanical trainer. One would pull the handle and then launc= h=20 up a rail for maybe 25 feet. It was nothing at all like the bone crushing=20 ejection sequence of a real Martin-Baker ejection seat. We parasailed behi= nd=20 jeeps and practiced Parachute Landing Falls (PLFs). We parasailed behind=20 speed boats and cut loose and landed in the water where we inflated life ra= fts=20 then got =E2=80=9Crescued=E2=80=9D by helicopters. =20 But they never let us jump out of a real plane. It was too risky. Some of= =20 us (not me) went to Fort Benning and got jump wings. The Air Force didn= =E2=80=99t=20 really condone it. Too risky. We did not spin the F4. Once a guy got into a flat spin in an F4, you would= =20 just bail out. First you would follow the checklist: =E2=80=9CStick Forward= , Ailerons=20 and Rudder Neutral. If not recovered, maintain full forward stick and=20 deploy drag chute.=E2=80=9D Then you would get out because the F4 just pla= in would not =20 recover from a flat spin. So we simply avoided spins. Everyone I knew who used the Martin Baker ejection seat, with its explosive= =20 zero zero ejection capability, got injured. But they survived. They might= =20 have a couple of limbs in casts for a while or a bad back for the rest of =20 their lives, but at least they survived. (Whatever you do, do not look dow= n to=20 make sure your seat belt is tight just before your back seater pulls the=20 ejection handle.) So, for me personally, knowing that stalling my IV may result in an=20 unrecoverable spin, especially if I=E2=80=99m in uncoordinated flight at th= e entrance, makes=20 me a little more inclined to not poke imprudently at the edge of the=20 envelope. Even if you could get out of the plane (I don=E2=80=99t believe=20= you can) you don=E2=80=99 t have an ejection seat. And a parachute won=E2=80=99t help if you stall in= your base=20 to final leg, or anywhere close to the ground. So I=E2=80=99ll continue to fly fast, even in the pattern, so I can go home= and see=20 the Farmer=E2=80=99s Daughter after I fly. John Hafen IVP N413AJ Only 75 hours On 8/31/08 4:49 AM, "Bryan Wullner" <_vonjet@gmail.com_=20 (mip://04416440/vonjet@gmail.com) > wrote: If the IV is or becomes un-insurable what does that mean for Lancair's=20 future? I would think insurance companies would just start adding other La= ncair=20 models to the list of un-insurables too. =20 Whats wrong with mandatory initial training? =20 Bryan On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:11 PM, <_vtailjeff@aol.com_=20 (mip://04416440/vtailjeff@aol.com) > wrote: John, Bryan & other like minded individuals, In case you have been living on another planet these last few months you ma= y=20 not be aware of the crisis our deceased Lancair brethren have created.=20 1. If you own a Lancair IV series aircraft you have been informed by AIG=20 that they will not renew your insurance policy due to the Lancair losses th= is=20 past year (and not all Lancair losses are IV's). Although I was paying over= =20 $7000/ year for hull and liability-- I may not be able to get it at all. Th= ank=20 you very much. =20 2. The FAA is seriously considering making mandatory initial training by an= =20 approved CFI prior to acting as PIC. Thank you very, very much. These aircraft are not toys. Please fly responsibly. We do not need any mor= e=20 accidents. If you post your stuff on youtube.com--do not be shocked that=20 someone thinks negatively of you actions.=20 Best Regards, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: _marv@lancair.net_ (mip://04416440/marv@lancair.net)=20 To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mip://04416440/lml@lancaironline.net)=20 Sent: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 1:53 pm Subject: [LML] Legacy video Posted for "Jon Socolof" <_jsocolof@ershire.com_=20 (mip://04416440/jsocolof@ershire.com) >: Hi, =20 I've never posted on the LML before but I'd like to respond to those unhapp= y with the Legacy videos.=20 I posted a video of my Legacy _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhtM9K3BwXbU= _=20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DhtM9K3BwXbU) and what you see is a "low approach" directly over the runway a maneuver that i= s perfectly legal and safe. Everybody I have met that has seen the video has enjoyed it. I'm sorry that some feel it demonstrates reckless behavior, I simply disagree. I built my airplane to enjoy and I'm proud of the video we shot. For those that may be unhappy with my video I'd rather you just appreciate it for what it is and go on your way without comment.=20 Jon Socolof Legacy 212XP -- For archives and unsub _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html= _=20 (http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html)=20 =20 ____________________________________ Get the MapQuest Toolbar=20 <_http://mapquest.com/toolbar?ncid=3Dmpqmap00050000000010_ (http://mapquest.= com/toolbar?ncid=3Dmpqmap00050000000010) > . Directions,=20 Traffic, Gas Prices & More! =20 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your trave= l=20 deal here. =20 (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=3Daoltrv00050000000047) -------------------------------1220436518 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
I agree totally Bryan, I have had a few calls asking how slow can I fly= my=20 lancair and how it will handle. I say, why do you ever want to fly your lanc= air=20 slow? Why not learn to fly it fast? Do you ever need to go slow in one? NO y= ou=20 don't, learn to land them at a speed where you have a lot of room left=20= for=20 error.   Ron
 
www.ronsflying.com
 =20
 
In a message dated 9/2/2008 11:12:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=20 j.hafen@comcast.net writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>vonjet@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
If the IV is or becomes un-insurable what does= that=20 mean for Lancair's future?  I would think insurance companies would= =20 just start adding other Lancair models to the list of un-insurables too.= =20  

Whats wrong with mandatory initial training?=20

Bryan



On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 4:11 PM,  <= vtailjeff@aol.com>=20 wrote:
John, Bryan & other like minded=20 individuals,

In case you have been living on another planet the= se=20 last few months you may not be aware of the crisis our deceased Lancai= r=20 brethren have created.

1. If you own a Lancair IV series aircr= aft=20 you have been informed by AIG that they will not renew your insurance=20 policy due to the Lancair losses this past year (and not all Lancair=20 losses are IV's). Although I was paying over $7000/ year for hull and=20 liability-- I may not be able to get it at all. Thank you very much.=20

2. The FAA is seriously considering making mandatory initial=20 training by an approved CFI prior to acting as PIC. Thank you very, ve= ry=20 much.

These aircraft are not toys. Please fly responsibly. We d= o=20 not need any more accidents. If you post your stuff on youtube.com--do= not=20 be shocked that someone thinks negatively of you actions.


= Best=20 Regards,

Jeff



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From= : marv@lancair.net
To: <= A=20 title=3Dhttp://lml@lancaironline.net=20 href=3D"mip://04416440/lml@lancaironline.net">lml@lancaironline.net
Sent:=20 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 1:53 pm
Subject: [LML] Legacy=20 video

Posted for "Jon Socolof" <jsocolof@ershire.com&= gt;:

 Hi,=20
 
 
 
 I've never posted on the LML=20 before but I'd like to respond to those unhappy
 with the Lega= cy=20 videos.
 
 
 
 I posted a video of my= =20 Legacy http://www.youtu= be.com/watch?v=3DhtM9K3BwXbU=20 and
 what you see is a "low approach" directly over the runway= a=20 maneuver that is
 perfectly legal and safe. Everybody I have m= et=20 that has seen the video has
 enjoyed it.  I'm sorry that=20= some=20 feel it demonstrates reckless behavior, I
 simply disagree. I=20 built my airplane to enjoy and I'm proud of the video we
 shot= .=20  For those that may be unhappy with my video I'd rather you=20 just
 appreciate it for what it is and go on your way without=20 comment.
 
 
 
 Jon=20 Socolof
 
 Legacy=20 212XP
 
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