X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3090735 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:34:50 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.67; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EYtM2dBR8rzmIVhjZOAOJEY49+UVpWhFN5/AB/1IgmmCVcLLkCbKHy/HGREQE+5C; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.63] (helo=ccaselt3) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KX7Is-0004iV-Vy for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:34:15 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <00b901c905a2$aa6b0130$6401a8c0@nvidia.com> From: "Colyn Case at earthlink" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: some thoughts on accidents X-Original-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:34:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C90581.22B72DC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940bb296ba14e9b370edc9c9112e6a33148350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.63 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C90581.22B72DC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve said, Some of decisions that lead to accidents are really hard to explain. There's a section in Rich Stowell's latest spin draining book that = explains the physiology of stupidity under high-adrenaline conditions. = Basically you lose your ability to reason first, followed by poor = recognition of what your arms and legs are really doing, followed by = loss of good motor control. This is not the whole problem but I believe it's a lot of the problem. = As far as I can see, realistic emergency training can do two things for = this: 1) program in a response that doesn't actually require thinking. = 2) lower your adrenaline level under a given set of circumstances. I = think training that merely gets you to the point that you can repeat the = right response on the ground is sorely lacking in these aspects. Sim training, IMO even non-motion sim, with a very good visual = display, could be a huge help. (seriously) unusual attitude training = in another plane also helps. not so much because you have any hope of = e.g. getting a IVP out of a spin but because of (2). ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C90581.22B72DC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Steve said,
 
Some of decisions that lead to = accidents are=20 really hard to explain.
 
There's a section in Rich Stowell's = latest spin=20 draining book that explains the physiology of stupidity under = high-adrenaline=20 conditions.  Basically you lose your ability to reason first, = followed by=20 poor recognition of what your arms and legs are really doing, followed = by loss=20 of good motor control.
This is not the whole problem but I = believe it's a=20 lot of the problem.   As far as I can see, realistic emergency = training can do two things for this: 1) program in a response that = doesn't=20 actually require thinking.  2) lower your adrenaline level under a = given=20 set of circumstances.   I think training that merely gets you = to the=20 point that you can repeat the right response on the ground is sorely = lacking in=20 these aspects.
 
Sim training,   IMO even = non-motion sim,=20 with a very good visual display, could be a huge help.   = (seriously)=20 unusual attitude training in another plane also helps.  not so much = because=20 you have any hope of e.g. getting a IVP out of a spin but because of=20 (2).
 
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