X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from asp-3.reflexion.net ([205.237.99.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with SMTP id 3091064 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:02:48 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.237.99.178; envelope-from=cberland@systems3.net Received: (qmail 20718 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 14:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO asp-3.reflexion.net) (127.0.0.1) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 14:02:10 -0000 Received: by asp-3.reflexion.net (Reflexion email security v5.50.2) with SMTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20701 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2008 14:02:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO systems3.net) (98.172.79.178) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with SMTP; 24 Aug 2008 14:02:10 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C905F1.FFB47CFC" Subject: [LML] some thoughts on accidents X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:02:03 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <87C33F695961494D886EB3B6C8A47651518A9C@s3server.Systems3.local> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] some thoughts on accidents Thread-Index: AckFiu3LQvMKQY2iQoidzIsDDytlaAAZZIRw References: From: "Craig Berland" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C905F1.FFB47CFC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to knock HPAT, but you just can't do in an aircraft what the professional pilots do very regularly in a simulator. Where I work, our recurrent programs include dozens of approaches with systems malfunctions, engine outs, windshear, etc. Most of these maneuvers cannot be safely practiced in the airplane, and without a simulator it would take, literally, 30 or 40 flying hours to accomplish what we can do in 6 hours. I fly a 360, and I am truly envious of the training my Kingair customers (or any bizjet pilot) have available to them. It's not cheap, but let's not kid ourselves, if the insurance companies didn't mandate the training then even jet pilots wouldn't train... Matt What is the cost to set up a simulator for an aircraft? I'm familiar with the structure of a full motion simulator used by the gov for F18's but is that what is being used to train Citation pilots? I agree good simulator training would be a great addition. Craig Berland =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C905F1.FFB47CFC Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Not to knock HPAT, = but you just=20 can’t do in an aircraft what
the professional pilots do very = regularly in a=20 simulator. Where I work, our
recurrent programs include dozens of = approaches=20 with systems malfunctions,
engine outs, windshear, etc. Most of these = maneuvers cannot be safely
practiced in the airplane, and without a = simulator=20 it would take, literally,
30 or 40 flying hours to accomplish what we = can do=20 in 6 hours.
I fly a 360, and I am truly envious of the training my = Kingair=20 customers (or
any bizjet pilot) have available to them. It’s = not cheap, but=20 let’s not kid
ourselves, if the insurance companies = didn’t mandate the=20 training then even
jet pilots wouldn’t train… =20  Matt

 What is the cost to set up a = simulator for an=20 aircraft?  I'm familiar with the structure of a full motion = simulator used=20 by the gov for F18's but is that what is being used to train Citation=20 pilots?  I agree good simulator training would be a great=20 addition.
Craig Berland  
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