X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:07:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3090705 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:02:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.80; envelope-from=farnsworth@charter.net Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080824030124.QCTO21239.mta11.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:01:24 -0400 Received: from Farnsworth ([75.139.158.86]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080824030124.VQOJ29012.aarprv06.charter.net@Farnsworth> for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:01:24 -0400 From: "farnsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" , Subject: RE: [LML] Re: some thoughts on accidents X-Original-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:01:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AckFiw38erS3H8Z+Sm63K3Kkw6/K4QABatOw X-Original-Message-Id: <20080824030124.VQOJ29012.aarprv06.charter.net@Farnsworth> X-Chzlrs: 0 David, "Extensive flight training at high angles of attack (low airspeed) and stall training and stall awareness is one of them. (Telling us all not to ever get the airplane slow are more platitudes that have no Relation to the reality of flying.)" How close and how often do you want to get close to the edge of uncontrolled flight? If that is your idea of the reality of flying, please never invite me to go flying with you. You didn't say anything about a minimum altitude at which you are going to do this "extensive" high AOA/stall training, so I have to assume it is not important in your reality of flying. I have said I won't intentionally do high AOA maneuvering below 5,000' AGL. High AOA below an altitude that will allow for recovery from the worst possible outcome of that maneuvering is not,IMO, prudent. But then, maybe that is in the platitude range? I was a military instructor pilot in F-100, F-105 AND F-4 aircraft and have some knowledge of high AOA flight. Would you advocate extensive flight training at indicated airspeeds above the limiting airspeed of the aircraft your are flying? If not, why not? You might find yourself in that position some day. I already know what happens when an aircraft stalls, and unless I am within a few inches of the runway there is no good reason for me to be in that flight regime. But to each his own. I wish you luck as you continue to roll the dice. Lynn Farnsworth Super Legacy #236 TSIO-550 Powered Race #44