X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:45:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [66.192.64.50] (HELO server16.crescentpark.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3087708 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:29:26 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.192.64.50; envelope-from=dtaylor@crescentpark.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C903EE.0DA10B28" Subject: [LML] Re: some thoughts on accidents X-Original-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:28:50 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: some thoughts on accidents Thread-Index: AckD6ROoCAvHF0EwTi2Gq6wg4Q32qwAA5W+w References: From: "Taylor, David" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C903EE.0DA10B28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me add to my post: The problem is not the Airplane! It is the type of training and practicing (and lack of practicing.) For instance I only know of 2 Legacy pilots who have EVER practiced a dead stick landing, and only 3 who practice stalls and stall awareness training. Practice in IMC (simulated is ok) and recovery from inadvertent IMC is another mandatory and regular piece of this. =20 =20 If you are not REGULARILY doing this type of high level training beyond the one hour a year you spend flying at HPAT, you are an accident waiting to happen. Now ask yourself, are you doing this regularily? Have you ever done these things? =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Taylor, David Sent: Thu, August 21, 2008 19:53 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: some thoughts on accidents =20 Everybody keeps saying the same thing about training and taking these airplanes seriously and then proceeds to chastise the Lancair population for carelessness and lack of judgement. =20 =20 I do not understand this. Each and every Lancair pilot I know is extremely serious about his plane and takes flying and planning and weather and training extremely seriously. (Anyone who can afford these things is by definition responsible.) =20 In other words, THIS IS NOT THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM AND ALL THESE WARNINGS WILL DO NOTHING TO REDUCE CRASHES. =20 I think that the problem lies elsewhere........... =20 David T. Legacy RG =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Art Jensen Sent: Thu, August 21, 2008 11:03 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: some thoughts on accidents =20 How many pilots out there have 1000 hours in type? Not many, but by now they know their airplanes and they have been making good decisions, so far! Most of us who own a Lancair today will not keep the airplane long enough to fly 1000 hours. It will be sold to someone and the clock will start ticking again. Then the new owner has to get through that first 200 hours where they are at the greatest risk. =20 Everyone who has commented so far seems to recognize that training is probably the answer to reducing accidents. =20 Art 0 pilots > 1000 hours in type Lancair =09 of the 108 reorted Lancair accident pilots 40.7% had less than 51 hours time in type; 75.9% had less than 201 hours time in type. if you have more than 1000 hours time in type-- keep on doing what you are doing..... =09 Regards, =09 Jeff Edwards =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C903EE.0DA10B28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Let me add to my post:  The problem is not the Airplane!  It is the type of training and practicing (and lack of practicing.)  For instance I only know of 2 Legacy pilots who have = EVER practiced a dead stick landing, and only 3 who practice stalls and stall awareness training.  Practice in IMC (simulated is ok) and recovery from = inadvertent IMC is another mandatory and regular piece of this.  =

 

If you are not REGULARILY doing this type of high level = training beyond the one hour a year you spend flying at HPAT, you are an accident waiting to happen. Now ask yourself, are you doing this = regularily?  Have you ever done these things?

 

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Taylor, = David
Sent: Thu, August 21, 2008 19:53
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: some thoughts on = accidents

 

Everybody keeps saying the same thing about training and = taking these airplanes seriously and then proceeds to chastise the Lancair = population for carelessness and lack of judgement. 

 

I do not understand this.  Each and every Lancair = pilot I know is extremely serious about his plane and takes flying and planning = and weather and training extremely seriously.  (Anyone who can afford = these things is by definition responsible.)

 

In other words, THIS IS NOT THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE PROBLEM = AND ALL THESE WARNINGS WILL DO NOTHING TO REDUCE = CRASHES.

 

I think that the problem lies = elsewhere………..

 

David T.

Legacy RG

 

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Art Jensen
Sent: Thu, August 21, 2008 11:03
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: some thoughts on = accidents

 

How many pilots out there have 1000 hours in = type?  Not many, but by now they know their airplanes and they have been = making good decisions, so far!  Most of us who own a Lancair today will not = keep the airplane long enough to fly 1000 hours.  It will be sold to = someone and the clock will start ticking again.  Then the new owner has to = get through that first 200 hours where they are at the greatest = risk.

 

Everyone who has commented so far seems to = recognize that training is probably the answer to reducing = accidents.

 

Art

0 pilots > 1000 = hours in type Lancair

of the 108 reorted Lancair accident pilots 40.7% had less than 51 = hours time in type; 75.9% had less than 201 hours time in type.
if you have more than 1000 hours time in type-- keep on doing what you = are doing.....

Regards,

Jeff Edwards

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