X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 10:03:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gwa2.webcontrolcenter.com ([63.134.207.9] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3037788 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:30:12 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.134.207.9; envelope-from=dave@aircraftersllc.com Received: from maila3.webcontrolcenter.com (unverified [216.119.106.29]) by gwa2.webcontrolcenter.com (SurgeMail 3.9c) with ESMTP id 98895048-1777422 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:29:33 -0700 X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from dsl-63-249-102-25.cruzio.com [63.249.102.25] by maila3.webcontrolcenter.com with SMTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:28:59 -0700 From: "Dave Saylor" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] 51% rule X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:29:33 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001c8ec4a$6aa40bd0$0500a8c0@GWM350> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C8EC0F.BE4533D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcjrVVPBFbRb8q6xSOmv7DY09xbPJAA3OPAg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Originating-IP: 216.119.106.29 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C8EC0F.BE4533D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know what you mean. There are certain things you're not expected to fabricate, like engines and instruments. There is a list of those things in AC 20-139, but it is not an all-inclusive list but rather a set of examples. I believe the idea is that if an approved manufacturer would normally buy it in order to construct an airplane, then so could you. But if you do construct your own prop or brake discs or bolts, then yes, you should take credit for doing so. It doesn't have to be on the FAA's list to get credit. You can add to the list yourself. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Leighton Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 10:15 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] 51% rule I have been dabbling in this homebuilt airplane thing for a couple decades now and have heard many interpretations and opinions relating to the ever nebulous "51%" rule. One that keeps coming up is that there are several areas that supposedly can be done professionally without affecting the builder doing 51%. Depending who you talk to they include paint, upholstery, instrument panel, avionics component installation, wiring, and engine hookups. Does anyone know for sure if some or all of these things are true or is all of this just more urban legends. I've had conversations with local FSDO folks about this and, although I know it's hard to believe, they don't seem to know for sure either. If it's a fact that all of these can be farmed out to the pros without encroaching on the 51% then does that mean if the amateur builder does all or most of them he, or she, gets credit for a larger percentage of the total? I don't see anything in the new "improved" proposal that addresses any of these issues. Again, if anyone has any knowledge of this I would love to know. Leighton Mangels ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C8EC0F.BE4533D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know what = you=20 mean.  There are certain things you're not expected to fabricate, = like=20 engines and instruments.  There is a list of those things in AC = 20-139, but=20 it is not an all-inclusive list but rather a set of examples.  I = believe=20 the idea is that if an approved manufacturer would normally buy it in = order to=20 construct an airplane, then so could you.  But if you do construct = your own=20 prop or brake discs or bolts, then yes, you should take credit for doing = so.  It doesn't have to be on the FAA's list to get credit.  = You can=20 add to the list yourself.
 
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Leighton
Sent:=20 Monday, July 21, 2008 10:15 AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] 51% = rule

I have been dabbling in this homebuilt airplane = thing for a=20 couple decades now and have heard many interpretations and opinions = relating to=20 the ever nebulous "51%" rule.  One that keeps coming up is = that there=20 are several areas that supposedly can be done professionally without = affecting=20 the builder doing 51%.  Depending who you talk to they include = paint,=20 upholstery, instrument panel, avionics component installation, wiring, = and=20 engine hookups.  Does anyone know for sure if some or all of these = things=20 are true or is all of this just more urban legends.  I've had = conversations=20 with local FSDO folks about this and, although I know it's hard to = believe, they=20 don't seem to know for sure either.  If it's a fact that all of = these can=20 be farmed out to the pros without encroaching on the 51% then does that = mean if=20 the amateur builder does all or most of them he, or she, gets = credit for a=20 larger percentage of the total?  I don't see anything in the new = "improved"=20 proposal that addresses any of these issues.  Again, if anyone has = any=20 knowledge of this I would love to know.
 
Leighton Mangels
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