Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #47830
From: Dennis Johnson <pinetownd@volcano.net>
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Subject: Runaway Trim
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:04:21 -0400
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I have a Legacy with a CH Products stick grip with "hat switch" for trim and RAC servos and an RAC relay between the hat switches and the trim servos.  I'm stubborn by nature and I'm still unwilling to agree that runaway trim is a realistic concern in my Legacy.  I'm not saying that's true in other airplane types or in other Legacies with different trim systems.
 
Just to clarify, "runaway trim" means, to me, that the trim moves without command from either pilot.  Either the trim starts moving on its own or it continues moving after the trim switch is released. 
 
In contrast, "stuck trim" means, to me, that the trim servo fails to move when the trim switch is activated. 
 
I had stuck trim (not runaway trim), which I believe is a common failure mode and each of us with trim systems like mine should confirm that the airplane is flyable if the trim sticks in any reasonably likely position.  Mine stuck when adding power to execute a missed approach after a practice ILS in clear weather.  Lots of nose up and lots of stick pressure, but the airplane was easily controllable at all times.  But it did get my attention at a busy time while cleaning up the airplane for the missed approach. 
 
By the way, maybe I'm just slow, but if my situation had been runaway trim instead of stuck trim, I don't think I could have reacted in time to find the right circuit breaker and pull it out to stop the trim before it moved all the way to the stop.   I don't remember, but I may have had both hands on the stick, which would have made pulling the breaker even tougher.
 
Here's why I don't think runaway trim is a realistic concern for my Legacy.
 
1.  I have examined the hat switch and am confident that the switch handle ("hat") is unlikely to become stuck in any position. 
 
2.  If the electrical contacts in the hat switch stick closed, I believe that physically moving the switch in the opposite direction will unstick the contacts.  That's not a certainty, but the risk seems to be too low for me to worry about.
 
3.  If the trim relay sticks closed, I believe that moving the trim switch in the opposite direction will exert enough force to break the relay open.  I haven't tested this, but RAC says they have and that it will. 
 
4.  I have physically examined my wires in the trim circuit and believe that a wiring fault that causes runaway trim is unlikely. 
 
5.  The typical measures taken to prevent runaway trim add complexity and parts count, reducing overall reliability of the trim system, making stuck trim more likely.
 
If any of these assumptions are wrong, please tell me where my mistake is!  Runaway trim can be an attention grabbing experience and I don't want to be ignoring that risk based on false assumptions.  Steve's experience is troubling because it could indicate that my conclusion is wrong.  Once I can talk to him and discover the root cause, I may change my conclusion.
 
One last thing.  My conclusion is based on how I have defined the level of risk that is acceptable to me and understand that reasonable people can find the exact same risk to be unacceptable.  I'm not saying that runaway trim in my system is impossible, just that its probability is low enough that I'm not going to worry about it.  Just like flying over the mountains in a single engine airplane, which I did this weekend from Northern California to Portland, Oregon.  Wow, what a smoky trip from all the wildfires in California!  On the flight to Portland Saturday morning, I couldn't see the ground until Eugene.  And when I landed back home this afternoon, the airplane is covered with gritty material.  But other than that, it was a fun trip.
 
Dennis Johnson
Legacy, 145 hours
 
 
 
     
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