Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #47814
From: <Sky2high@aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Runaway Trim
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:06:35 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Rob, just to carry on the line ---- There are so many ways to skin the cat.
 
I love the Walnut wheeled, Reichel geared, spring driven pitch trim system in my 320.  I know how many tangential pushes to give it to retrim after flight regime changes.  I can measure the humidity by the resistance in moving the wheel (higher humidity, walnut swells, higher resistance).  I love to caress the fine natural finish of the walnut for each trim adjustment and it looks nice, too.  Oh, I can always override the springs should I runaway trim it with a forearm muscle tic or mental lapse (ever more frequent these days).
 
The rudder and aileron trims are tabless, internal servo operated, spring driven systems (similar to the aileron spring cartridge in the modern Cirrus) and runaway trim means overcoming some wee spring after I have swallowed a backup can of organically grown spinach. 
 
I am intrigued to read about the complex systems used to forestall electrical gremlins causing flight control problems - How about carrying pre-calibrated bungees to be attached to eyelets on the stick to overcome runaway trim (as listed on the emergency checklist).  They could be color coded - red for right, lilac for left, umber for up, etc. 
 
Grayhawk
 
Rob, this might not make it to the LML since I am in mail server limbo.  If it doesn't show up there, perhaps you could re-post it if you are not embarassed. 
 
In a message dated 6/27/2008 6:31:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rwolf99@aol.com writes:
I read the description of a pitch trim that failed to opeate.  But the logical step from the nuisance "it doesn't move when I want it to" to the hazardous "it moves when I don't want it to" isn't quite so logical.  Failing one way just isn't as likely as failing the other way.

1)  Why would the motor fail to run?  It's either not getting any power, or the motor is broken.  This can happen due to a wire connection failue ("broken wire") anywhere in the chain from the power bus to the ground.  Count the connections -- there could be as many as a dozen or more.  A pin-socket connector has three junctions -- the wire to the pin, the pin to the socket, and the socket to the wire.  The junction between the wire and the switch is another, and so forth.  A continuity break anywhere in the loop will cause the trim to not operate.

2)  Why would the motor run uncommanded?  Either the switch has failed (mechanically broken so that the contacts touch) or it is welded shut.  There's really no other way for it to happen.  We don't really put enough power through the switch to weld it, so it's really only a physically broken switch that would cause it.  Yeah, it can happen, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it.  Check it during the preflight and the likelihood of it failing in the next hour is pretty small.

- Rob Wolf




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