X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 23:06:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.64.90] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.2) with SMTP id 2893057 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 04 May 2008 13:09:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 94425 invoked from network); 4 May 2008 17:09:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xQAeUgafLljRqPurpR0uaTzg0uacD+iWaVwUFHTygDO6niGiV+ka50+bfi3FqkDHgfcMvjGL5EfyGQ4gAkQ6Sfc2kzIS6Rctn6P4FaYU7SarxwOClzkfgSQiySyK8BcS9nVTSBzM7ymF47esQ+Wzs/cue+KmA395zu18cT0DTKs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Computerroom) (elippse@sbcglobal.net@75.15.151.229 with login) by smtp117.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2008 17:09:31 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: wQvEEGkVM1mvg..UqYLtBKJTXMuhxtuse_wu7ErpIZUSPnhgTt0yMe4TBWAJ8BjiPrBJyoyaOULYUdEuzy5vSlnOojhhJnDyU4EDynYt6pwpZz5gnnVPtK83W7ZigbXfN4p8XWRh4F1nSCKwQcFz16m6dCYulU6c1RIodxJpZDgSY9IyKbQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Original-Message-ID: <000a01c8ae09$9eb6d4e0$e5970f4b@Computerroom> From: "Paul Lipps" X-Original-To: "Marv Kaye" Subject: O-320 TAS X-Original-Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 10:09:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8ADCE.F1410EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8ADCE.F1410EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gary: I haven't flown Oscar's plane for a while, but as I remember, it = started off somewhere around 2300-2400, dropped about 75-125 rpm during = the takeoff roll, then was back up to 2400 during a climb at 110 mph = IAS. The replacement, highly modified Great American prop on my = Lancair, to replace my beautiful three-blade ELIPPSE prop which I = destroyed in a gear-up landing at Santa Paula, before an open-house = crowd, displays the same high-low-high rpm thingy! My three-blade = didin't; it started at 2230 rpm and just continued to increase rpm = during the takeoff roll, reaching 2400 at lift-off at about 70-75 mph = IAS, then continuing at 2410 while climbing at 110 mph IAS. With my = 125HP O-235, it gave me an ROC of about 1450-1550 fpm at 1000 dalt at = 1350 lb. Oscar and I did a lot of calibration flights on his plane and = on different props we tried on it. Initially his GA prop gave 214-215 = mph TAS at 2600 rpm. I did a slight mod to the prop tips, which boosted = speed to 219 mph at 2750-2760 rpm. The rpm increase was due to the = greater efficiency of the prop converting HP to thrust which gave more = speed. That 2.1% increase in rpm was hardly sufficient in increasing the = engine horsepower the 5% necessary for that speed increase. My GA and = another of Oscar's props was modified by increasing root chord and pitch = and reducing tip chord, and we were able to get more speed on less rpm, = generally increasing efficiency 5%-10%. The reason many fixed-pitch = props have that high-low-high rpm characteristic is that different parts = of the prop come out of stall at different loads/rpm, whereas my design = shows the same CL and lift all along the blade vs speed. It typically = doesn't have the static and low speed thrust of the typical FP prop, but = once it gets up to about 40-50 mph IAS, it really comes into its own. = Tom Aberle describes the effect as having the same effect as cutting in = an AB at about 70 mph on his winning biplane. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8ADCE.F1410EA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gary: I haven't flown Oscar's plane for a while, = but as I=20 remember, it started off somewhere around 2300-2400, dropped about = 75-125 rpm=20 during the takeoff roll, then was back up to 2400 during a climb at 110 = mph=20 IAS.  The replacement, highly modified Great American prop on = my=20 Lancair, to replace my beautiful three-blade ELIPPSE prop which I = destroyed in a=20 gear-up landing at Santa Paula, before an open-house crowd, displays the = same=20 high-low-high rpm thingy! My three-blade didin't; it started at 2230 rpm = and=20 just continued to increase rpm during the takeoff roll, reaching 2400 at = lift-off at about 70-75 mph IAS, then continuing at 2410 while climbing = at 110=20 mph IAS. With my 125HP O-235, it gave me an ROC of about 1450-1550 = fpm at=20 1000 dalt at 1350 lb. Oscar and I did a lot of calibration flights on = his plane=20 and on different props we tried on it. Initially his GA prop gave = 214-215 mph=20 TAS at 2600 rpm. I did a slight mod to the prop tips, which boosted = speed to 219=20 mph at 2750-2760 rpm. The rpm increase was due to the greater efficiency = of the=20 prop converting HP to thrust which gave more speed. That 2.1% increase = in rpm=20 was hardly sufficient in increasing the engine horsepower the 5% = necessary for=20 that speed increase. My GA and another of Oscar's props was modified by=20 increasing root chord and pitch and reducing tip chord, and we were able = to get=20 more speed on less rpm, generally increasing efficiency 5%-10%. The = reason many=20 fixed-pitch props have that high-low-high rpm characteristic is that = different=20 parts of the prop come out of stall at different loads/rpm, whereas my = design=20 shows the same CL and lift all along the blade vs speed. It typically = doesn't=20 have the static and low speed thrust of the typical FP prop, but once it = gets up=20 to about 40-50 mph IAS, it really comes into its own. Tom Aberle = describes the=20 effect as having the same effect as cutting in an AB at about 70 = mph on his=20 winning biplane.
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