X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 07:45:15 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2754607 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:38:17 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.81; envelope-from=GAMarr@Charter.Net Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080223223731.MEKX23078.mta21.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:37:31 -0500 Received: from DB77R351 ([24.178.5.47]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080223223731.BEGW17353.aarprv04.charter.net@DB77R351> for ; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:37:31 -0500 From: "Giffen Marr" X-Original-To: References: Subject: [LML] Re: 51% rule? X-Original-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:34:12 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <005f01c8766c$3817ab80$6701a8c0@DB77R351> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ach2IFmALz66TJlPTECbu087OmUxKwARG4gg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 Colyn The rule was worked out years ago between homebuilders and the FAA. It is one of the great freedoms we have as compared to many other countries. What has happened is that a few individuals and companies have tried to circumvent the requirements of the standard category airworthiness requirements. We all know a builder who was only present to write a check for delivery of his newly completed aircraft, and never spent a minute in building process. We also know of a company that wanted to sell a complex aircraft and it had to be built in their facility. These are not homebuilders! Go back and look at the definition of homebuilt aircraft in the rule and preamble to the homebuilt rule, then tell me that what I have described above meets the homebuilt rule? I for one, do not want to lose my privileges. Now for safety. That's what we have in our Technical counselors, EAA and experienced friends. Are homebuilt's unsafe? Don't think so. Do homebuilders make mistakes? Sure they do. If you, as a home builder, followed all the requirements contained in the certification regulations on your project, it would be "maybe" marginally safer, but if you followed the advice of the experts who oversaw your project, you would probably be just as safe from a construction point of view. Remember, in GA, about 75% of the accidents are the results of the guy in charge making poor decisions. Two recent accidents come to mind, the LIV-P a week or so ago, which probably was the result of icing, and the Columbia, last week that appears to be the result of really bad weather at the destination. Neither was the result of who built the aircraft. Giff Marr LIV-P/Mistral 70% -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Case on earthlink [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:46 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 51% rule? so....not to get off track here or anything.....but shouldn't the issue be how to make the planes safe? vs. who did the work?