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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 360 engine baffling installation- Lack of Power
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OK, I'm not an engineer, no background in building engines (more in tearing them
up), and my math isn't all that strong.  Several years ago and "old timer" gave
me the following chart for computing % of power.

Basically, you add Manifold Pressure and the first two number of the RPM giving
a number which you then use on the left side of the chart to give you % of
power.  Here is the chart:

MP+RPM(1OO)        % POWER
36                 35
39                 45
42                 55
45                 65
48                 75
51                 85
54                 95
57                105

This jives with what Casey said for 24 squared=75% power and also works with the
idea of losing 1 inch of MP and adding 100 rpm, ie, 23" + 25[00].

I'm just presenting this, not defending it, but I think it does a reasonable job
on % of power.  It doesn't address the question of horsepower which started the
thread, and doesn't address humidity, temperature, etc. but it's quick and
simple.
Matt McManus
LNC2 360


Quoting Sky2high@aol.com:

>
> In a message dated 9/23/2007 9:15:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> glcasey@adelphia.net writes:
>
> Here is  rough way to calculate the power, probably within 10% and maybe 5%:
>  Starting with HP=Torque(ft-lb)xrpm/5252, replace torque with MAP:
> HP=MAPxrpm/K where K is a constant ( 30" and 2700 rpm produces 180 hp giving
> a  K of
> .00222, for example). But then none of that is really accurate.   Torque
> changes more than proportional to MAP because there is some friction HP  to
> be
> accounted for.  You could subtract something from 30 - a number  between 5
> and 10
> would be appropriate.  Then HP changes slower than a  simple rpm multiplier
> would suggest, partly because engine friction increases  faster than rpm.
> Then
> torque will change with ambient temperature - a  change of 50F will change
> torque by about 10%.  That isn't even too  accurate because the air will be
> heated
> on its way to the cylinder - a number  of maybe 5% per 50 degrees would be
> closer (1% per 10 degrees).  And all  that is true only if you are running
> best
> power mixture.  When LOP the  best measure of power is fuel flow - I think
> Paul has a number for this, which  I forgot.  What I do is memorize a number
> for
> 75% power.  Turns out  it is about 24"-2400 rpm (picked a "square" number
> because it is easier to  remember).  For every inch the manifold pressure
> changes
> the rpm has to  change 100 to compensate, so 75% is at 23"-2500rpm and
> 25"-2300rpm).  But  because of the errors mentioned above 21"-2700rpm will
> NOT
> produce as much  power as 26"-2200rpm.  Then add or subtract 1% for every 10
> degrees
> the  temp changes from 60F (NOT from standard conditions at that altitude).
> Or one could create a chart with the above information to which one could
> refer.  Or, as in my case, with a NA engine (Naturally Aspirated,  not
> "Normally" as some would say.  After all, the turbo enthusiasts would  insist
> that
> boosted engines are more "normal".) I need all the power I can get  most of
> the
> time, so it really doesn't matter - I can't do anything about it  anyway.
>
>
> Gary,
>
> Try this calculator and see what the dew point does to % power.
>
> _http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_hp_dp.htm_
> (http://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_hp_dp.htm)
>
> Grayhawk
>
> PS:  I have an inexpensive instrument that I stick into the cabin air  inlet
> in flight to measure the dew point or % humidity.  Temperature  isn't enough.
>
> PPS: The sq rt of .75 is .866.  86.6% of 30" is 26" and 86.6% of 2700  is
> 2300.  But since I fly at 2500 rpm, using your adjustment, then a MAP of  24"
> would approximate 75% power.  Since I also like to fly at WOT  and anytime I
> see
> a MAP that low, I must be at or below 75%  power.  Normally that would be at
> or above 6500 MSL.  Since I also use  ram air induction at around 175 KIAS at
> that altitude, I have to go up another  1000 feet and fly in the opposite
> direction (towards O'Hare) in order to  conduct the GAMI lean test.  Bummer.
>
>
>
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