Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #43528
From: John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: I think the Farmers Daughter would like you....
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 01:07:22 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

If you can jump from 8 feet without permanent injury, then you are younger than I.  And the farmers daughter would probably prefer you over me.

 

Vectoring your chute into the wind slows your descent.  You can’t do that with a BRS.

 

John Hafen

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Sletten
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 7:19 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Apologies to the farmer's daughter

 

 

 

I believe the analogy describing the impact by referring to falling or jumping from a particular height doesn’t account for the attitude of a BRS-equipped aircraft on impact with the ground following chute deployment. Since the aircraft descends in a nose-low attitude, the nose hits first (assuming level ground) absorbing a great deal of the impact energy -- the rest of the airframe would rotate downwards behind the nose until coming to rest (upright hopefully). Assuming the main gear hits after the nose, this would dissipate even more energy as it (the landing gear) is designed to absorb landing energies.

 

In short, landing under a BRS would be more like two smaller impacts instead of a single large one.

 

During jump training in the USAF we learned to do the same thing with our bodies; the Air Force calls it a Parachute Landing Fall – I don’t know what the other services call it. Essentially you land into the wind – feet first – then roll forward while rotating your body so as to dissipate the impact energy. Instead of keeping your feet and legs rigid so as to absorb the full impact – as the Cirrus would if it pancaked flat onto the ground – you roll sideways allowing your knees, hips and shoulders to take their share of the beating. If done properly, one can easily jump from 8 feet without (permanent) injury.

 

Mark

 


From: rtitsworth [mailto:rtitsworth@mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:47 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: RE: [LML] Apologies to the farmer's daughter

 

Rob, etal,

 

FYI:  25fps ~= 17 mph.  About like running (full sprint) into solid wall.  Perhaps survivable, by OUCH.

 

More math…

Gravitational acceleration is approx 32ft/sec^2 (drag-less freefall at the Earth’s surface)

Doing some algebra to solve for the time to reach 25 fps results in:  (25/32)^.5 = 0.88 seconds

Doing some integral calculus (not shown) results in a distance traveled of approx 7.5 feet

Thus, 25 f/s is about the impact speed from falling off the top step of an 8’ step ladder

Be careful when cleaning your gutters out there J

 

Or another analogy (in case you haven;t fallen off the top of a 8’ step ladder lately), terminal velocity from the top of a 34” bar stool would be approximately 12.5 fps (note: 1/2 speed = 1/4 of the impact energy).

 

Rick

 

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