X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:16:31 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mtai03.charter.net ([209.225.8.183] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.7) with ESMTP id 1920714 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:26:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.8.183; envelope-from=GAMarr@Charter.Net Received: from aa09.charter.net ([10.20.200.161]) by mtai03.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.00 201-2186-121-20061213) with ESMTP id <20070314152517.SEYC21785.mtai03.charter.net@aa09.charter.net>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:25:17 -0400 Received: from DB77R351 ([71.14.140.156]) by aa09.charter.net with ESMTP id <20070314152516.GEGL26943.aa09.charter.net@DB77R351>; Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:25:16 -0400 From: "Giffen Marr" X-Original-To: "'John Hafen'" , References: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LIV "Boeing" wing tips X-Original-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:25:16 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <00a701c7664c$f7c21d70$6401a8c0@DB77R351> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C76623.0EEC1570" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcdmQSvXrrGBDfGHTvOeZ6giDmvm9QACvT+g In-Reply-To: X-Chzlrs: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C76623.0EEC1570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If my memory is correct, Charlie did a comparison of the standard wing tips and the winglets and airspeed for the winglets was about 5 kts slower at sea level to breakeven at about 17000 ft on the LIV. The gain for winglets is in the FL's. American Airlines is modifying their 757 w/winglets and expect to see about a 5% improvement. What is Lancair saying the advantages are for the Boeing tips? Giff Marr LIV-P/Mistral 65% _____ From: John Hafen [mailto:j.hafen@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:42 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LIV "Boeing" wing tips I bought the Boeing wing tips from Lancair and traded back in my winglets. I have no comparative data between winglets and Boeing wing tips. I was told by the folks at Lancair that the winglets look GREAT (I totally agree) but that they do not increase speed and they slightly limit roll rate. So, I took them at their word and went with the Boeing wing tips. John -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of colyncase on earthlink Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 7:24 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: LIV "Boeing" wing tips John, what is the source? any other info? Colyn ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C76623.0EEC1570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If my memory is correct, Charlie did a = comparison of the=20 standard wing tips and the winglets and airspeed for the winglets was = about 5=20 kts slower at sea level to breakeven at about 17000 ft on the LIV. The = gain for=20 winglets is in the FL's. American Airlines is modifying their 757 = w/winglets and=20 expect to see about a 5% improvement. What is Lancair saying the = advantages are=20 for the Boeing tips?
Giff=20 Marr
LIV-P/Mistral=20 65%
From: John Hafen = [mailto:j.hafen@comcast.net]=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 9:42 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LIV "Boeing" wing = tips

I bought the = Boeing=20 wing tips from Lancair and traded back in my winglets.  I have no=20 comparative data between winglets and Boeing wing tips.  I was told = by the=20 folks at Lancair that the winglets look GREAT (I totally agree) but that = they do=20 not increase speed and they slightly limit roll rate.  So, I took = them at=20 their word and went with the Boeing wing tips.

 

John =

 

-----Original=20 Message-----
From: = Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of colyncase on=20 earthlink
Sent: = Sunday, March=20 11, 2007 7:24 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject:=20 [LML] Re: LIV "Boeing" wing tips

 

John,

    what is = the=20 source?   any other info?

 

Colyn

 

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