Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #40039
From: Dan Ballin <dballin@gmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Collaborating on checklists
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:42:28 -0500
To: <lml>
Not to interrupt this fascinating thread, but I just wanted to point
out that  I plan on working with the HPAT guys to revise their Legacy
checklist and then provide it on the list as a service to those that
would like to use it for their own - as a starting point.  I am also
hoping to get the electronic version of the Legacy POH converted to a
useable format with the same intentions.
Hey if you don't want to use it don't, but for the rest at least a lot
of the work will be done.

Dan Ballin

On 2/13/07, Kevin Stallard <Kevin@arilabs.net> wrote:
Guys!

I'm talking about checklists and POH for crying out loud.  How in the
world is a guy who is 73% done with his airplane going to help put
together a checklist when he hasn't even flown his airplane!  (I'm not
trying to make you mad, Kevin K. I'm just trying to point out a concept
here, think about it for awhile before you decide to break my nose...)

"I've been watching this list for the last 2 years and the one thing
I've
  noticed is that there are very few people here who really understand
  what they are doing."

I'm not trying to offend anybody by this.  If you think that everything
posted to this list is golden, then we have a serious problem here.  I
really enjoy reading the posts of folks who really know what is going
on, I wish there were more that were as thought out and full of
information.  I am certainly not capable of the technical prowess of
some of the folks here.
There are only a handful of folks who can do that.

You don't understand.  You will do new people the best service by
pointing new folks to HPAT, not to your online checklists.  Have them
collaborate with their instructors, not other pilots.  There is not way
in the world they can judge the experience of the other guys here.  HPAT
has taken care to make sure they have the people they trust.


Kevin
L2K-291



[Kevin... I'm really sorry to hear that you find the LML so totally
lacking in
useful comment.  If you desire I could easily remove your subscription,
eliminating all the "noise" you seem so unwilling to deal with.   I just
hope
that the people here, for whom you have so little regard, take this
rebuke
less personally than I.  One way or another I've been at this for the
past 15
years or so, having migrated the beginnings of the LML from a failing
"AVSIG"
Compuserve community back in the late 90's.  Over that time I have
developed
long lasting relationships with most of the Lancair community, made and,

sadly, lost friends thanks to this activity we have all taken unto
ourselves
as a passion few people outside of our community understand.   The names
of
the people from the LML whose comments possess all the credibility I
could
grant to anyone are too many to list here... most of us know who they
are, and
I just hope you haven't insulted them into silence.

The guys at HPAT are a tremendous resource, one that we all should
utilize to
the best of our ability. Training is the ulitmate key to success and
survival,
but that is what they are all about... training... not physically
creating the
documents that you want them to review.  It is pure folly to think that
they
are omnipotent, and that there might not be something offered here that
even
one of them might find a useful addition to their critique of a
student's POH
or operational checklists.  They, too, are only human, and it's entirely

likely that one of them may actually have made a mistake at some point
in
their aviation career.  It's also likely that someone like another human

similar to those found on the LML might even have pointed it out to them
and
helped them to keep it from happening again.  That being said, please,
by all
means, get your knowledge from the sources you feel most comfortable
with.
 Pay all you can afford for it.  Just don't belittle the incredible
mindtrust
we have here because you don't pay its members for their opinions.

    <Marv>     ]


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