From: "Marvin Kaye" <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Collaborating on checklists
To: lml
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:17:00 -0500
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Posted for "Kevin Stallard" <Kevin@arilabs.net>:
  
  "However, I totally disagree that there is nothing that appears on this
  list that
  HPAT hasn't already told me."
  
Fixated or not, you made my point.  Collaborate with the guys at HPAT,
  you'll get much more information sooner and more accurate without the
  noise.
  
  I've been watching this list for the last 2 years and the one thing I've
  noticed is that there are very few people here who really understand
  what they are doing.
  
  How does one filter the noise when you don't know what the noise is?
  Trial and error?!  Heaven help us.  Go to the experts for collaboration.
  Pay someone who *really* knows to go over it with you.  Don't come to
  guys just starting out or guys that may have deficiencies in their
  technique or training because they are only pilots not instructors.
  
  By posting this information is a message to others that they can just
  get it off the internet.  A dubious practice at best...  One of the best
  thing this group can do to help insure safety is to *firmly* point
  others to *correct* sources, not just sources.
  
  Good luck,
  Kevin
  L2K-291


[Kevin... I'm really sorry to hear that you find the LML so totally lacking in 
useful comment.  If you desire I could easily remove your subscription, 
eliminating all the "noise" you seem so unwilling to deal with.   I just hope 
that the people here, for whom you have so little regard, take this rebuke 
less personally than I.  One way or another I've been at this for the past 15 
years or so, having migrated the beginnings of the LML from a failing "AVSIG" 
Compuserve community back in the late 90's.  Over that time I have developed 
long lasting relationships with most of the Lancair community, made and, 
sadly, lost friends thanks to this activity we have all taken unto ourselves 
as a passion few people outside of our community understand.   The names of 
the people from the LML whose comments possess all the credibility I could 
grant to anyone are too many to list here... most of us know who they are, and 
I just hope you haven't insulted them into silence.

The guys at HPAT are a tremendous resource, one that we all should utilize to 
the best of our ability. Training is the ulitmate key to success and survival, 
but that is what they are all about... training... not physically creating the 
documents that you want them to review.  It is pure folly to think that they 
are omnipotent, and that there might not be something offered here that even 
one of them might find a useful addition to their critique of a student's POH 
or operational checklists.  They, too, are only human, and it's entirely 
likely that one of them may actually have made a mistake at some point in 
their aviation career.  It's also likely that someone like another human 
similar to those found on the LML might even have pointed it out to them and 
helped them to keep it from happening again.  That being said, please, by all 
means, get your knowledge from the sources you feel most comfortable with. 
 Pay all you can afford for it.  Just don't belittle the incredible mindtrust 
we have here because you don't pay its members for their opinions.

    <Marv>     ]