Return-Path: Received: from pop.centurytel.net ([209.142.136.253]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:23:04 -0500 Received: from pavilion (ppp085.pa.centurytel.net [209.142.129.227]) by pop.centurytel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA06677 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:27:26 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <001701bf2d1a$3d21fb20$e3818ed1@pavilion> From: "J. N. Cameron" To: "Lancair List" Subject: Exhaust popping; converting capacitative to resistive fuel level Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:27:03 -0600 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Interesting, this exhaust popping. The stock exhaust system for the ES as of a couple of years ago was pretty small-bore, maybe 1-3/4", and the factory prototype popped like crazy at low power / rich mix settings, like on final. I had Dawley aviation build me an exhaust system that was properly graduated at each cylinder, ending up at 2-1/4" diameter (which increases the cross-sectional area by 65%). I also had about two feet of extra pipe under the belly, as I had planned to bring the pipes together in the midline and run them into a muffler. With the extra couple of feet, mine never popped once. Later, however, when I abandoned the muffler project and cut the pipes back to the usual position, several inches below and behind the cowl outlets, I started to get the popping at low power / rich mix. My guess is that it's simply a matter of how much the exhaust temperature drops from the cylinder to the end of the exhaust pipe. With a shorter, smaller pipe, the temp is still high when it mixes with the air, so there is probably spontaneous combustion of the over-rich exhaust gas. With a longer, larger pipe, the temp probably drops enough to avoid that. [I was recently assured that the ES exhaust system being sold by Lancair has been re-designed -- I'll have a look at it when I pick up Kit #2 in Feb.] How many of you noticed the extra 18" or so of exhaust pipe that sticks straight back, parallel to the belly, on the Cirrus SR20? [Recent article in one of the flying mags.] Seems to me it wouldn't cause much extra drag, it would probably eliminate the popping, and would also make the cabin quieter. [When I cut the Y off my ES pipes, the cabin noise increased significantly.] To Pat Weston, trying to convert gauges designed for resistive sensors to work with capacitative sensors will be a major electronic design project. The resistive sensors are stone simple, and just produce a variable voltage out to the meter. To use a capacitance element for level sensing, you make the capacitor (the probes, in this case) part of an oscillator circuit. When the material between the plates of the capacitor, which in the fuel probes are the outer tube and an inner rod, changes, e.g. from air (empty) to fuel (full), since the dielectric constants of air and avgas are very different, the value of the capacitor changes. This changes the frequency of the oscillator. Next step is to convert the frequency to a voltage (not a big deal, really, as there are low-cost chips on the market that do this). In the E.I. unit, there is obviously a microprocessor that stores a table of voltage vs. level data (which you enter when you first calibrate, or program, the unit). That takes care of non-linearities resulting both from the inherent non-linearity of the sensing system and the irregular geometry of the tank and probe installation. I share your dislike for digital readouts on a lot of things, but in my experience the E.I. fuel level gauges worked very nicely. .... Except -- Nearly everyone I've talked to has found that when you key the mic to transmit on your COM's, the E.I. level gauge will go nuts. You can add extra shielding and grounding 'til you're blue in the face, and they still go nuts. My best guess is that the probes act like antennas, and that their oscillator circuit picks up the interference. E.I. obviously know about the problem, as they get sorta vague on the telephone and mumble about how they're going to have another look at it real soon now. Don't know if they have. It's only a minor nuisance, really, as they settle back down in a short time. You won't want the low level alarm hooked to anything audible, however, because every time you announce your turn to short final, the E.I. level gauge will blast you at a time when you don't need spurious alarms distracting your attention. Jim Cameron (once & future ES) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>