Return-Path: Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com ([149.174.206.135]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:53:32 -0500 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id OAA07615 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:57:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:56:40 -0500 From: Lynda Frantz Subject: Approach Speeds for L-360 Sender: Lynda Frantz To: "INTERNET:lancair.list@olsusa.com" Message-ID: <199911021456_MC2-8B66-4F79@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Message text written by INTERNET:lancair.list@olsusa.com >He believes that my approaches should be slower. 1.3 times stall or about 80 mph for calm days. He also suggested adding 1/2 the crosswind component, plus all of the gust speed up to a maximum of 33 mph. In all of my past training (from Lancair also) I have been told to stay at 120 mph. How do the rest of you approach? In my experience, flying approaches at 1.3 times the stalling speed is OK provided the stalling speed is known. In the absence of having an AOA, 1.4 Vs is typically recommended because the exact staling speed is unknown! The problem is that stalling speed varies with weight, bank angle CG and turbulence. To be conservative most light aircraft operators recommend using about 1.4 Vs or higher for approaches.The jet operators typically use variable speeds based mostly on GW with 1/2 the cross wind component and all the gust as additives which result in approach speeds between about 1.25 and 1.4 Vs. Generally the heavy operators use AOA either directly or indirectly to compute the approach speeds. Glassy water landings in amphibious aircraft are flown as slow as 1.15Vs. The best soltion regardless is to install an AOA instrument because AOA is self compensating. Flying the best approach AOA on my Lancair 360 results in an airspeed between 76 and 86 knots depending mostly upon the landing gross weight.I would not recommend flying my L-360 with approach speeds below about 85 knots straight and level using IAS alone. I understand that Lancair check pilots recommend at least 85 knots for approach depending upon who the check pilot is with some recommending 100 knots. If you fly a fixed approach IAS, the margin above stall will vary from one approach to another depending mostly upon GW.Also the energy required to flare will not be consistant with the amount of excess kinetic energy going into the flare. Neither of the above situations is conductive for good landings and short rollouts. For more information see www.angleofattack.com Jim Frantz >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>