X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:41:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gypsy.chameleonengineering.com ([66.197.155.165] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTPS id 1118183 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 01:55:04 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.197.155.165; envelope-from=rienk.ayers@sreyaaviation.com Received: from pool-71-102-241-246.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.102.241.246] helo=Rienklaptop1) by gypsy.chameleonengineering.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FgbSe-0002VS-QL for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 18 May 2006 01:54:13 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Rienk Ayers" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: IVP Crash X-Original-Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 22:53:59 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <00e101c67a3f$7a692fc0$6401a8c0@Rienklaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gypsy.chameleonengineering.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sreyaaviation.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Chuck, Thanks for helping clarify my perspective about safety. Since my = opinions may be perceived as biased, I asked Peter Garrison of "Flying" magazine = to let us know what he thought. Here is a direct quote from him on my = behalf... [note: in the interest of full disclosure, I don't really know Peter, = nor did he come to my direct aid. Rather, I happened to read this today in = his article in the current issue of Flying, June 2006, pg 57-59. What is = written below are direct quotes from his Aftermath article, entitled "Walking on = the Wall" regarding a stall/spin accident of a GP-4. He happens to refer to = the stability of Lancairs as well] "... After more than a year of flying and many retractions, this would = not be surprising; pilots become accustomed to the quirks of their airplanes = and come to believe that their skills more than compensate for them." "... It also suggests that the judgment that it is "not more difficult = to fly...than any other high performance aircraft" must be taken in the = context of homebuilt aircraft, not ALL aircraft." "When, a decade or so ago, Australian authorities refused to license homebuilt Lancairs because they lacked what was officially considered a = safe margin of longitudinal stability, designer Lance Neibauer protested that = his customers PREFERRED their airplanes unstable. Perhaps a better = expression would have been "didn't mind." After all, an airplane may be light, fast = and responsive and still return to a trimmed speed when the stick is = released. Test pilots do not rank lack of speed stability as a desirable flying quality. Nevertheless, with airplanes just as with spouses and pets, = some people prefer things that are unusual, but their own. The FAA recognizes = the individual nature of homebuilt airplanes, even kit-built ones, by = employing a naming system that attributes the airplane to its builder, not to its original designer." "The builder accepts the peculiarities of his airplane, even values = them, and learns to meet them halfway. Safety, in airplanes with nonstandard characteristics, resides in the partnership of the airplane and its practiced pilot. This accident should remind us to reflect on what "safe" means. You = can safely walk along the top of a wall, but there is always a risk of = falling. If you walk on the ground, you eliminate, or at least much reduce, that risk. Some people may be much better at walking on top of walls than = others, and may even be able to run, or hop, or perform cartwheels there. But = they are still on top of a wall, and if they slip or stumble or have an off = day and make a mistake, the consequences will be worse. Neutral pitch stability is a manageable characteristic. Helicopters = are neutrally stable and can be safely flown. Slow flight a few knots above stalling speed is not especially difficult. Slow flight in a neutrally stable airplane is perhaps a little more difficult than in one with = strong positive speed stability. Slow flight in a neutrally stable airplane = while hauling on a gear retraction lever is a little tricky, but one learns. A stall recovery involving a 500-foot loss of altitude is somewhat = unusual, but one can live with it. That's the trouble: One learns. It becomes easy. And with increasing = ease our awareness of the narrowness of the margins of safety fades. Habit = breeds complacency. We lose sight of the difference between taking risks with impunity and not taking them at all. Consciously adopted precautions, = like a 1,500-foot minimum altitude for gear retraction, begin to seem = unnecessarily conservative. Little by little we forget that despite taking millions of steps without mishap, even a highly experienced walker may one day = trip."=20 Hopefully, Peter's LESS biased appraisal will encourage every = builder/pilot of home-built aircraft to realize that good piloting skills can tame = design deficiencies and compromises, but can never overcome them. I just read = on the internet today that a family has a pet lion that has some neighbors concerned. The reality is that a pet lion may be - for the most part - harmless... But being around a lion on a "bad-hair-day" is not anywhere = near as safe as being around your average tabby. It reminds me of the story of the rich lady interviewing chauffeurs. She points to her long, winding driveway with shear drops along one side, = and asks the first candidate, "With me in the limo, how close would you be comfortable driving next to the steep edge?" Full of self confidence, he replied, " I could handle the entire driveway within two feet of the = edge." She asked the second candidate the same question, and he replied, "I am = so good, I can do it within one foot!" The third candidates response was much different. "I'm going to stay as = far away from the edge as I can" was his reply... Who do you think got the = job? Why are pilots so quick to be one of the first two? And even worse, why = do designers think that it is okay to do the same thing with their = airplanes? How close to the edge do they get, intentionally or not? It is wrong and plain stupid... And it is reprehensible when such an attitude ends up getting people killed. As Peter Garrison said, it is possible for an airplane to be light, fast = and responsive - and still be properly stable and controllable. I like going fast, and I like sexy looking vehicles (cars, planes and boats), but I definitely want to be as safe as possible while I am having fun. I sure = hope the Lancair team and Lancair builders can agree with this. Again, Fly Fast, but fly Safe. Blessings,=20 RA -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 8:19 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: IVP Crash Posted for "Chuck Jensen" : I don't have a dog, or a Lancair, in this fight-happen to be a canard = man myself, but this safe/unsafe argument clearly misses the point. As Mr. Sletten pointed out, an inanimate object is neither safe or unsafe. True. However, it is incontrovertible that between two inanimate = objects intended to be used for flying, one is most certainly safer than the = other, as no two objects can occupy the same relative position. Of course, = even that relativity is based on pilot experience, practices and knowledge. =20 =20 =20 If RA's point was that Lancairs are unsafe, I would disagree. However = if, as I suspect, he was intending to say that 'Lancairs are relatively = unsafe compared to many other planes', then any Lancair builder or pilot that disagrees does so at his personal peril. That's not to say that a = Lancair can't be flown safely, but it takes a higher level of skill, awareness = and vigilance than a flying a C172. If this is true, and I believe it is, = then a Lancair is relatively (to a C172) unsafe. =20 Yes, one can demand engineering data on stability, static and dynamic = and all kinds of numbers, but for those not whistling in the dark, just look = at the NTSB Accident List-that's evidence enough. And, it should be = understood that this log of accidents was built with the inclusion of many pilots = that were not 25 hour per year fliers with 125 hours TT. On that list are = CFIIs, Instructors, ATPs, Commercial pilots ad nauseum. =20 Do I dislike or am I attempting to denigrate the Lancair....not at = all. I love the look, I love the performance and I would love to have the skill = to fly one safely. Instead, I'll stick with a canard pusher that is a = better match to my piloting skills and when I get low and slow in the pattern. =20 In short, to not acknowledge that the Lancair requires a higher level = of skill to fly safely is simply denial. On the other hand, anyone that = wants to diplomatically remind Lancair fliers to 'be careful out there' is = doing a public service, not a disservice to the plane. =20 Thanks, Chuck Jensen --=20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.6.0/341 - Release Date: 5/16/2006 =20