X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 23:21:51 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [204.13.112.10] (HELO mail1.hometel.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTPS id 1115703 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 16 May 2006 09:32:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.13.112.10; envelope-from=marknlisa@hometel.com Received: (qmail 45058 invoked by uid 90); 16 May 2006 13:41:09 -0000 Received: from mail.hometel.com (HELO webmail.hometel.com) (204.13.112.10) by mail.hometel.com with SMTP; 16 May 2006 13:41:09 -0000 Received: from 24.241.97.202 (SquirrelMail authenticated user marknlisa); by webmail.hometel.com with HTTP; Tue, 16 May 2006 08:41:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <2671.24.241.97.202.1147786869.squirrel@24.241.97.202> In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:41:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: CLIMB PROFILE From: marknlisa@hometel.com X-Original-To: wfhannahan@yahoo.com, lml@lancaironline.net User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Most of the time we as pilots tend to look at landing as the most critical phase of flight. It's the maneuver we spent the most time perfecting during pilot training, and the one most passengers use to judge our skill, "That was a great landing Biff!" But, strictly from the standpoint of energy management, take off and climb out are much more critical. You are at your heaviest, slowest and least proven (the engine hasn't been running for long). As others have suggested, each take off is unique. Different terrain, procedures (noise abatement), traffic flow, weather, etc. all require a different approach, er, departure (you know what I mean!) -- all with an eye towards risk management. For example: A long runway, with no obstacles, and clear a departure path with numerous off-field landing possibilities presents a relatively simple scenario. Accelerate to cruise-climb speed and keep the engine cool with the peace of mind that comes with plenty of options. Should the engine quit you're gonna land straight ahead. On the other hand, a short runway with obstacles and few off-airport landing choices means one must make trade-offs. Perhaps use Vx until clear of obstacles, transition to Vy until at a safe altitude to permit a return to the field, then cruise-climb to reduce engine stress. In that situation, you must be prepared to react appropriately to each of these three distinct phases in the event of an engine failure. As has been noted, careful consideration and PLANNING AHEAD OF TIME can greatly enhance your chances of survival. I really like the way the Rick Titsworth phrased it, "... I'd like to believe that choosing the departure bail-out site before each [take-off] (he wrote landing, but I think he mean take-off) and having a picture of it in my mind strongly biases me toward that decision." Mind over matter -- I like it! USAF KC-135 aircraft use three (that I remember) climb/departure modes: Accelerated Climb, Max Climb and tactical. Accl mode corresponds to the first scenario I outlined above, Max to the second. Accl starts with a relatively shallow climb that steepens while the aircraft accelerates to Vy, then climb continues at Vy. Max mode climbs steeply at Vx to get the aircraft away from the ground as quickly as possible, then levels to accelerate to Vy once clear of obstacles. As for tactical departures, these are used when bad guys with MANPAD (Man Portable Air Defense) weapons are trying to shoot you down. You stay as low as possible and accelerate as quickly as possible to give the bad guys the least time to develop a firing solution. This obviously presents many more risks in regards to flying the aircraft, but the tradeoff is lower overall risk. I don't think it's wise to confine oneself to one take off/climb mode. It's all about analyzing the situation, prioritization and mitigating the most relavent risks. And, by all means, practice each of these maneuvers before the real thing! Mark Sletten Legacy FG N828LM http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com