X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:06:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1114073 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:05:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.6; envelope-from=REHBINC@aol.com Received: from REHBINC@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id q.464.599b72 (57293) for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 11:04:39 -0400 (EDT) From: REHBINC@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <464.599b72.3199f287@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:04:39 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Positive Crankcase Vacuum X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1147705479" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5122 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1147705479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug, I'm not sure how much benefit in reduced windage losses you would get from applying a vacuum to the crank case. The biggest areas for gain here are in oil pan design, windage trays and crank scrapers that work to screen the oil droplets from the air down into the sump and protect the oil surface from the 'wind' in the crankcase. Yes, this can make a substantial difference in a race engine, but as Paul said at 2700 rpm it's questionable just how much power could be recovered from windage reduction. There are two benefits from crank case vacuum that you haven't mentioned. The first is reduced dilution of the fuel air charge in the cylinder and its effect on power. During the intake stroke, cylinder pressure is well below atmospheric (naturally aspirated) so ring leakage flows into the cylinder. With crank case vacuum, the ring leakage flow is reduced and at times even reversed. There are three effects as a result: First, the area between the top ring land and the cylinder is full of exhaust products, partially burned fuel and raw fuel all of which are detrimental to the power stroke. During the intake and compression stroke, some of these products are swept into the combustion chamber where they reduce power. Crank case vacuum helps to remove them from the cylinder. Second, the air leaking from the crankase is fuel lean and its addition to the cylinder is also detrimental to power. Third ring leakage into the cylinder carries with it a small amoint of oil. This also displaces fuel air mixture and reduces power, but more importantly oil has a very low octane rating and contributes to detonation. The second benefit is improved oil life. Unburned fuel and exhaust gasses are continually leaking from the cylinder during the combustion, exhaust and compression strokes and contaminating the oil. The oil contains various additives to prevent damage to the engine as a result of contamination with these chemicals. As contamination increases, the additives are expended and protection is lost. Crankase vacuum helps to volitize some of the compounds and draw them out of the oil and into the exhaust. This was a beneifcial consequence of the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system on cars in the early '70's. While the vacuum generated in the crankcase was slight, the system scavenged vapors from the crankcase and greatly reduced contamination of the oil. This resulted in extended oil changes intervals from 3 thousand miles in the '60's to 4 or 5 thousand in the '70's. Of course today, thousands of people throw perfectly good oil away every 3000 miles anyway. Old habits die hard. Rob -------------------------------1147705479 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Doug,
 
I'm not sure how much benefit in reduced windage losses you would get f= rom applying a vacuum to the crank case. The biggest areas for gain here are= in oil pan design, windage trays and crank scrapers that work to screen the= oil droplets from the air down into the sump and protect the oil surface fr= om the 'wind' in the crankcase. Yes, this can make a substantial difference=20= in a race engine, but as Paul said at 2700 rpm it's questionable just how mu= ch power could be recovered from windage reduction.
 
There are two benefits from crank case vacuum that you haven't mentione= d. The first is  reduced dilution of the fuel air charge in the cylinde= r and its effect on power. During the intake stroke, cylinder pressure is we= ll below atmospheric (naturally aspirated) so ring leakage flows into the cy= linder. With crank case vacuum, the ring leakage flow is reduced and at= times even reversed. There are three effects as a result: First, the area b= etween the top ring land and the cylinder is full of exhaust products, parti= ally burned fuel and raw fuel all of which are detrimental to the power= stroke. During the intake and compression stroke, some of these products ar= e swept into the combustion chamber where they reduce power. Crank case= vacuum helps to remove them from the cylinder. Second, the air leaking= from the crankase is fuel lean and its addition to the cylinder is also det= rimental to power. Third 
ring leakage into the cylinder carries with it a small amoint of oil. T= his also displaces fuel air mixture and reduces power, but more importantly=20= oil has a very low octane rating and contributes to detonation.
 
The second benefit is improved oil life. Unburned fuel and exhaust gass= es are continually leaking from the cylinder during the combustion, exhaust=20= and compression strokes and contaminating the oil. The oil contains various=20= additives to prevent damage to the engine as a result of contamination with=20= these chemicals. As contamination increases, the additives are expended and=20= protection is lost. Crankase vacuum helps to volitize some of the compounds=20= and draw them out of the oil and into the exhaust. This was a beneifcia= l consequence of the positive crankcase ventilation (PCV) system on car= s in the early '70's. While the vacuum generated in the crankcase was slight= , the system scavenged vapors from the crankcase and greatly reduced contami= nation of the oil. This resulted in extended oil changes intervals from 3 th= ousand miles in the '60's to 4 or 5 thousand in the '70's. Of cour= se today, thousands of people throw perfectly good oil away every 3000 miles= anyway. Old habits die hard.
 
Rob
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