X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.174.93.98] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0.7f) with HTTP id 950724 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:23:21 -0500 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: Runway checks, passes, flybys To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0.7f Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:23:21 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Mark & Lisa" : Listers, This is an excellent example of grasping a subject within the affective learning domain. Each of us probably has the understanding (some more rudimentary than others) of the rules governing, and the physics involved in, conducting a high-speed low pass - this is the cognitive learning domain, or what you know about a subject. Most likely, each could conduct (some, perhaps more successfully than others) a high-speed low pass - this is the psychomotor domain, or what you can do. Chuck understands it's attitude that leads to the decision whether or not to actually do it - this is the affective learning domain, or how you value a subject. It's been said here on this list (and elsewhere) that one cannot teach attitude (or values). I submit that when, in the course of a discussion such as this, an individual comes to the conclusion that attitude is the very heart of the matter, then learning has occurred! Based on what I read in Chuck's post, he has internalized an important concept in flight safety -- we are all, each of us, masters of our fate. We know the rules; we may even understand the intent of the rule makers. But when we're sitting in the aircraft, exercising our privileges (yes privileges, not rights) as "Pilot In Command," we only follow external rules that we've internalized, and internal rules that we've made for ourselves. In reading this thread I've gotten a good refresher on the FAA rules regarding low-altitude maneuvering. How do we get from understanding a rule to valuing it? Just as we each are masters of our fate, we are each master of our attitude. Key to understanding one's attitude is understanding "why." My old Gaffer used to tell me there must always be a reason for what you're doing. If you don't know why you're doing what you're doing, then it's time to stop and think about it. Hand in hand with that sentiment is good ole Billy Shakespeare's Polonius instructing Laertes (Hamlet - can't remember which scene) with, "This above all else, to thine own self be true." You can't have a meaningful discusion with yourself about why you behave as you do unless you're honest... There are many good reasons I can think of (and probably thousands I can't) for disregarding FAA rules. I believe what the safety proponents on the LML are trying to say is for each of us to examine the "why" and ensure that the benefits outweigh the risks. Think clearly, and fly safe, Mark & Lisa Sletten Legacy FG N828LM http://www.legacyfgbuilder.com