X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:00:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from esmtp.cave.com ([66.35.72.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c3) with ESMTP id 740909 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:20:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.35.72.5; envelope-from=lancair@ustek.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.60.5.123]) by esmtp.cave.com (VisNetic.MailServer.v7.2.4.1) with ASMTP id CQN38002 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:19:14 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <433B08D0.2020600@ustek.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:19:12 -0400 From: N301ES Reply-To: lancair@ustek.com Organization: USTEK Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Insurance References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070908010808080106050405" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070908010808080106050405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not a bad quote Jeff but I got a quote before Lancair got too involved: $300k hull, $1 million liability, 10 hr instruction and 20 hr solo - for $4,915. After Lancair got into it hot and heavy about 6 months ago the same coverage jumped to $5,758 and had added the restriction of paying for a factory inspection. Now the new restrictions from Lancair (listed in their e-mail today) include if: 1) building your kit with us or if building at home, having a Lancair approved inspector look over your work; 2) using only Lancair approved and/or certified parts in the construction of your kit (no auto engines, no radically modified aircraft engines, etc.); 3) Having a Lancair approved ABDAR inspect and issue an airworthiness certificate (the reason for which is that we believe an individual who has extensive Lancair experience will be better able to detect deficiencies in the builder's work); 4) Attending our training program provided by Pete Zaccagnino; 5) Having the first condition inspection performed by Lancair or one of its approved builders. I had already planned to continue my training with Pete for the 10+ hours needed to learn the plane, so that is for me a non-issue. But where is Lancair's list of approved initial inspectors, of approved DARs, of approved builders, and of approved parts? I've been looking and I have only a few months left to get them lined up. What if I or other builders have constructed their planes using parts not approved by Lancair? (Perhaps if you bought it from Spruce, it ain't approved?) Might not be a major issue at the end but it sure is a concern now. My question is - if Lancair has negotiated a better program with AIG, how much will I save by abiding by the new restrictions? So far it looks like I'll be paying more. Robert M. Simon, ES-P N301ES VTAILJEFF@aol.com wrote: If I get recurrent training from an approved instructor and a one time inspection of my aircraft from Lancair then my premium is $6,086 for $300k hull and $1 mil/ $100k seat. This is less than half of what Global is charging. They will go higher on hull if I substantiate it with an equipment list. AIG is the underwriter. I just got a quote for hull & liability insurance on my IVP. Falcon quoted $13,675 for $400k hull and $1 mil/$100K seat liability. Global is the underwriter. I have been with them these last few years with similar premiums. > <> > > Thanks Joe Bartels and all involved in making this happen. > > Jeff Edwards --------------070908010808080106050405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not a bad quote Jeff but I got a quote before Lancair got too involved: 

$300k hull, $1 million liability, 10 hr instruction and 20 hr solo - for $4,915. 

After Lancair got into it hot and heavy about 6 months ago the same coverage jumped to $5,758 and had added the restriction of paying for a factory inspection.


Now the new restrictions from Lancair (listed in their e-mail today) include if:  

1) building your kit with us or if building at home, having a Lancair approved inspector look over your work;  

2)  using only Lancair approved and/or certified parts in the construction of your kit (no auto engines, no radically modified aircraft engines, etc.);  

3) Having a Lancair approved ABDAR inspect and issue an airworthiness certificate (the reason for which is that we believe an individual who has extensive Lancair experience will be better able to detect deficiencies in the builder's work);  

4) Attending our training program provided by Pete Zaccagnino; 

5) Having the first condition inspection performed by Lancair or one of its approved builders.

I had already planned to continue my training with Pete for the 10+ hours needed to learn the plane, so that is for me a non-issue.  But where is Lancair's list of approved initial inspectors, of approved DARs, of approved builders, and of approved parts?   I've been looking and I have only a few months left to get them lined up.  What if I or other builders have constructed their planes using parts not approved by Lancair? (Perhaps if you bought it from Spruce, it ain't approved?)   Might not be a major issue at the end but it sure is a concern now. 


My question is - if Lancair has negotiated a better program with AIG, how much will I save by abiding by the new restrictions?  So far it looks like I'll be paying more. 


Robert M. Simon,  ES-P N301ES




VTAILJEFF@aol.com wrote:

If I get recurrent training from an approved instructor and a one time inspection of my aircraft from Lancair then my premium is $6,086 for $300k hull and $1 mil/ $100k seat. This is less than half of what Global is charging. They will go higher on hull if I substantiate it with an equipment list. AIG is the underwriter. I just got a quote for hull & liability insurance on my IVP. Falcon quoted $13,675 for $400k hull and $1 mil/$100K seat liability. Global is the underwriter. I have been with them these last few years with similar premiums. 
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Thanks Joe Bartels and all involved in making this happen.
 
Jeff Edwards
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