Return-Path: Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net ([206.81.128.3]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:33:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 21300 invoked by alias); 22 Aug 1999 16:37:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 21294 invoked by uid 0); 22 Aug 1999 16:37:04 -0000 Received: from pppdsla160.slkc.uswest.net (HELO scottdah) (216.160.232.160) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:37:04 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-lancair.list@olsusa.com@fixme From: "Scott Dahlgren" To: "___Lancair list" Subject: ram air Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:38:02 -0600 Message-ID: <000001beecbc$b3d2dc60$0200000a@scottdah> Importance: Normal X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> John Spry, The Questair Venture group did quite a bit of work with ram air as they were trying to get more air into the engines of their high flying planes. They had some luck by actually mounting thin (.032" thick?)sheet aluminum plates onto their props, close to the spinner, about 2x the cord thickness (please note I am not recommending any of this...). It looked like the AOA of the plate was approximately the same as the cord from pictures I saw. The tapered plate would sweep flush across the face of a large ram opening and send a pressure pulse to the carb that matched the valve opening, the most beneficial time to have pressurized air. they reported much success and increases in altitude and ground speed. sort of a poor man's supercharger. to get the prop firing timing right, required some interesting and asymmetrical placement of the ram intake as I recall, and the prop had to be clocked to the valve timing as well. the dynamic pulse you receive putting the carb inlet close to the prop will do you little to no good at cruise speed on the Lancair as the ratio of prop wash velocity to ambient velocity is too close to unity to gain any sustained pressure increase at the manifold. the pulse is also ~1/30th of the total intake at Lancair's carb intake location. this is likely why the Venture group mounted their ram openings close to the hub and made them big, to get bigger pulses for a greater percentage of the valve open time. You could get a lot of valuable information on these designs from the Venture group. They may have perfected the art at this point and have all the pros and cons for you and maybe have something for our group as well. Let us know what you find out. Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html