X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 02:07:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.4.35.182] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c2) with ESMTP id 715402 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 11:25:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.4.35.182; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:24:35 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Received: from 71.34.244.118 by BAY12-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 15:24:34 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.34.244.118] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Re: airspeed on final X-Original-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:24:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C5B44E.BDF07B70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:24:33 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2005 15:24:35.0054 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B1D78E0:01C5B489] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C5B44E.BDF07B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use the same picture (cowl just touching my aim point) regardless of = load.=20 I know from experience that I'll have enough energy to flare with that = as my=20 maximum AOA. My speed changes a little bit depending on my fuel load, = but=20 not much. The slowest IAS I've seen is about 69, though I usually try to = stabilize at 72. I'm normally solo, but my fuel load makes more = difference=20 than a passenger. My CG doesn't change much, so that hasn't seemed to = make=20 any difference. Bill K. Bill, Thanks for the info. I think we are on the same page with the aim point = on decent. I was speaking more of the planes attitude in the flare. =20 That is interesting about your fuel/passenger relationship. My plane is = just the opposite. I get a big difference in nose high attitude with a = passenger, and very little with extra fuel when solo. I typically land = with less than 18 gallons remaining, but even with more fuel onboard, = the nose high attitude is not as much than when a passenger is on board. = Big difference in landing weight between the two. Also, I tend to land a little on the fast side as my plane has the short = gear legs and rear ventral fin which reduces my rudder ground clearance = with a high angle of attack on landing (I scraped the rudder one time so = made a landing speed adjustment after that). For that reason I = stabilize at about 78 knots, with touchdown at about 65 knots. With = that I waste a lot of runway while in ground effect.=20 Gary Edwards LNC2 N21SN=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C5B44E.BDF07B70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I use the same picture (cowl just touching my aim point) = regardless of=20 load.
I know from experience that I'll have enough energy to flare = with that=20 as my
maximum AOA. My speed changes a little bit depending on my = fuel load,=20 but
not much. The slowest IAS I've seen is about 69, though I = usually try to=20
stabilize at 72. I'm normally solo, but my fuel load makes more = difference=20
than a passenger. My CG doesn't change much, so that hasn't seemed = to make=20
any difference.

Bill K.

Bill,

Thanks for the info. I think we are on the same page = with the=20 aim point on decent. I was speaking more of the planes attitude in = the=20 flare.

That is interesting about your fuel/passenger relationship. = My plane=20 is just the opposite. I get a big difference in nose high attitude = with a=20 passenger, and very little with extra fuel when solo. I typically = land=20 with less than 18 gallons remaining, but even with more fuel = onboard, the=20 nose high attitude is not as much than when a passenger is on = board. Big=20 difference in landing weight between the two.

Also, I tend to land a little on the fast side as my plane has the = short=20 gear legs and rear ventral fin which reduces my rudder ground clearance = with a=20 high angle of attack on landing (I scraped the rudder one = time so=20 made a landing speed adjustment after that). For that reason I = stabilize=20 at about 78 knots, with touchdown at about 65 knots. With = that I=20 waste a lot of runway while in ground effect.

Gary Edwards

LNC2 N21SN

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