Return-Path: Received: from smtpin.stl.mo.boeing.com ([130.38.225.17]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:08:04 -0400 Received: from xch-mwbh-01.mdc.com (xch-mwbh-01.mdc.com [130.38.5.20]) by smtpin.stl.mo.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.9.0-M1) with ESMTP id RAA12693 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:11:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: by xch-mwbh-01.mdc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <417BA1959096D211BF270008C7A4375A01286D1F@xch-stl-02.mdc.com> From: "Field, Peter B" To: "'lancair.list@olsusa.com'" Subject: RE: lancair.list V1 #72 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:11:24 -0500 X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Marv: Greg Nelson's tie down CG test sounds like a good short cut, but I think it's a lot of work and insufficiently accurate. Nothing beats a good set of initial calculations which are based on the standard CG determination methods (using sensitive scales), not to mention the fact that the FAA requires every pilot to know where his CG is for the flight he is about to make. Making a graph of permissible weights and CG locations really isn't hard and by laminating the graph you'll have something that will stand repeated usage (like before every flight). A couple of technical points to think about are: 1) The airplane when airborne doesn't rotate about the CG, it rotates around the aerodynamic center of rotation which we hope is aft of the CG. One can move the CG, but not the center of rotation. 2) The landing gear are somewhere aft of the CG and a lot lower and not a good substitute fulcrum for your aero center of rotation. The point is that aft CGs can be really tricky on take off when the center of rotation moves from the MLG axles to the aerodynamic center of rotation (PIO city). It is really important to know when you're at or even near the aft limit (lots of people and baggage) not only for gross weight considerations but for handling qualities. Conversely, you might get airborne comfortably with a very forward CG, but be in for a real surprise when you burn down during the flight and run out of trim on landing (can't flare). Many people have killed themselves and their passengers flying airplanes out of CG limits when they thought they were within a % or two. Anyway, who wants to be putting batteries on the tail never mind the fact that you'll have to put weights in the left seat because you'll be out of the airplane heaving weights around. There's a lot more to CG location and handling qualities which I'll be glad to explain directly to anyone who wants to know. Cheers, Pete >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML homepage: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html