X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:25:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from relais.videotron.ca ([24.201.245.36] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.5) with ESMTP id 1023106 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:37:57 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.201.245.36; envelope-from=alphagolf@videotron.ca Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([70.80.122.54]) by VL-MO-MR011.ip.videotron.ca (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IIQ005AZZ7AYB@VL-MO-MR011.ip.videotron.ca> for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 10:35:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:35:35 +0000 From: Alain Gauthier Subject: On Boosting Engines, Stressing Crankshaft and TBO X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net X-Original-Message-id: <42C00EB7.6040309@videotron.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) Hello friendly listers ! Why build Lancairs if not in pursuit of speed ? Here is a copy of an e-mail I just sent to Stuart Featherstone. Hello Stuart, First, congratulations on your achievement : completing and flying a modified L2K is no small feat ! Don Barnes in his post on the Lancair Mail List reporting on N54NE's first flight, mentions : “... Lycoming IO-580 (Angle Valve) by Performance Engines 400+ hp”. This brings the following questions (from a potential client who is quite interested in Performance Engines’ products) : 1. When boosting engines beyond their design output, does Performance Engines take into account the significant stresses imposed on the crankshaft (and other stressed parts, for that matter)? As you will no doubt know, Lycoming recently lost a court case on the basis of experts’ report claiming that their large-bore crankshafts were significantly undersized. I understand that the claim was that the crankshafts were originally sized for smaller engines and supposedly now being used on larger-bore engines beyond their capacity to sustain a 2000-hour TBO. (Disclaimer here: although I graduated in Engineering Physics, I’m in no way qualified to review and qualify crankshaft design. In addition, the fact that Lyc. lost its case, does not imply that the jury was in the least bit qualified to understand the tech subject matter. Finally, this may not apply to the 580 series, but the general question would hold.) That being acknowledged, I wonder what consideration is given to vital parts stressing when Performance Engines pushes engine parts beyond their design limits, thus possibly reducing significantly the engine safety margins and service life expectancy, 2. What is the expected TBO on your engine ? Regards Alain L2K Wannabe Not that I would like to drag you, experts on our List, into another heated debate, but would you please kindly provide your views on what appears to me as a serious push on the aircraft envelope and risk factors. Not that I condemn this exploration attitude, but it would rather seem to me that in this case, some serious hard-nosed tech consideration and serious in-lab engine beating are in order... If Stuart is intent on racing and expecting and mentally ready for possible difficulties, this is not for me to judge. But our community might benefit from a bit of reflection on pushing engines or engine parts beyond their intended performance envelope... Regards, Alain L2K Wannabe PS. I love to read old works from great scientific minds of the past, and found this which could guide some of our debates... Writing about Chymists and Aristotelicians : "... But I blush not to acknowledge that I much less scruple to confess that I Doubt, when I do so, than to profess that I Know what I do not : And I should have much stronger Expectations than I dare yet entertain, to see Philosophy solidly establish't,if men would more carefully distinguish those things that they know, from those that they ignore or do but think, and then explicate clearly the things they conceive they understand,acknowledge ingeniously what it is they ignore, and profess so candidly their Doubts , that the industry of intelligent persons might be set on work to make further enquiries, & the easiness of less discerning Men might not be impos'd on." Robert Boyle, The Sceptical Chymist, Part of First Dialogue, , as printed in year 1680. ( I just replaced the old "f" for "s" wherever aplicable... Sorry, no typos introduced here ! :-) )