X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:18:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 942209 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:05:56 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.5; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id q.b7.57c9f58a (3310) for ; Thu, 12 May 2005 21:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 21:05:07 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Electronic Ignition Timing Charts X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1115946307" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 -------------------------------1115946307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/12/2005 10:21:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, walter@advancedpilot.com writes: As it turns out, this is a major effect. You must quantify how rich and how lean for the second statement to be accurate. There are some rich mixtures that burn slower than some lean mixtures. As a matter of fact, 40dF ROP is the fastest burn rate mixture. The charts you posted are true for a given mixture. As the mixture changes, the chart values would change. Mixture has a major effect on the effective timing... which is the only thing we really care about. Walter, Yeah, well I remember a GAMI chart that shows a broad range of timing with little or no effect on destruction. I don't have any problem with self-controlling the last knob (mixture) in the "best power" combo although I would prefer some useful info from something like an exhaust O2 sensor, mass airflow sensor, temperature sensor - all helping with data to arrive at some non-destructive highest and best power setting for the extant environmental and operating conditions. All I have to do is figure out what "is" is. Maybe I need a theta-beta-zeta cylinder wall distortion sensor. OK, 40F ROP is the fastest burn rate. What is a non-destructive LOP slower rate and what is the timing spread contribution (even a rule of thumb would do) -- or do I have to deduce this by myself in the "flight experimental" mode? Half the EI folk don't want to reveal the timing curves while, at least in one case, with enough work one can discover it. BTW, Some of us are still waiting for something like a real FADEC, PRISM, EPIC, OPUS, ERATO, CROSSWORD PUZZLE or whatever - - (kinda like a useful diesel), but they never seem to quite arrive and deliver the desired performance. Of course, one would expect these things to be developed in the "experimental" field before someone tries to jam another fix-up on a Bonanza. I guess I am going to try things at ROP first - then LOP over a string of airports. I like this stuff, it tears at my orderly life. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Training is no substitute for fear,risk analysis and judgement. Recognize the links in the chain of errors before the last link joins to the anchor. In aviation, as in life, nothing fixes itself. There ain't no tow truck when you are positive AGL. -------------------------------1115946307 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 5/12/2005 10:21:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 walter@advancedpilot.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>As it=20 turns out, this is a major effect.  You must quantify how rich
an= d=20 how lean for the second statement to be accurate.  There are some=20
rich mixtures that burn slower than some lean mixtures.  As a mat= ter=20 of
fact, 40dF ROP is the fastest burn rate mixture.

The charts=20= you=20 posted are true for a given mixture.  As the mixture
changes, the= =20 chart values would change.  Mixture has a major effect on
the=20 effective timing...  which is the only thing we really care=20 about.
Walter,
 
Yeah, well I remember a GAMI chart that shows a broad range of timing w= ith=20 little or no effect on destruction.  I don't have any problem with=20 self-controlling the last knob (mixture) in the "best power" combo alth= ough=20 I would prefer some useful info from something like an exhaust O2 sensor, ma= ss=20 airflow sensor, temperature sensor - all helping with data to arrive at= =20 some non-destructive highest and best power setting for the=20 extant environmental and operating conditions.  All I have to do i= s=20 figure out what "is" is.  Maybe I need a theta-beta-zeta cylinder wall=20 distortion sensor.
 
OK, 40F ROP is the fastest burn rate.  What is a non-destructive L= OP=20 slower rate and what is the timing spread contribution (even a rule of thumb= =20 would do) -- or do I have to deduce this by myself in the "flight=20 experimental" mode?  Half the EI folk don't want to reveal the timing=20 curves while, at least in one case, with enough work one can discover it.
 
BTW, Some of us are still waiting for something like a real FADEC, PRIS= M,=20 EPIC, OPUS, ERATO, CROSSWORD PUZZLE or whatever - - (kinda like a useful=20 diesel), but they never seem to quite arrive and deliver the=20 desired performance.  Of course, one would expect these things to=20= be=20 developed in the "experimental" field before someone tries to jam another fi= x-up=20 on a Bonanza.
 
I guess I am going to try things at ROP first - then LOP over a string=20= of=20 airports.
 
I like this stuff, it tears at my orderly life.
 
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

Training is no substitute for fear,risk analysis and=20 judgement.
Recognize the links in the chain of errors before the last lin= k=20 joins to the anchor.
In aviation, as in life, nothing fixes itself.
Th= ere=20 ain't no tow truck when you are positive=20 AGL.

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