Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:42:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.4.35.192] (HELO hotmail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 610205 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 12:16:36 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.4.35.192; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:15:02 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: Received: from 67.42.59.100 by BAY12-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:14:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.42.59.100] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Re: Another LNC2 Down X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:14:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C4FC74.FC91B570" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0009.2900 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 09:14:45 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2005 17:15:02.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[14D434D0:01C4FCB8] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C4FC74.FC91B570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a fixed pitch prop on my 320. I think I do about 4-5 degree = glide=20 with idle, full-flap, and 72 KIAS. The angle is an estimate, but it is well = over 3 degrees. I use 72 instead of 70 to give a little more energy for the = round out. Works okay and I've done it at night (we have a couple of trees on = the approach end and I'd rather risk a bumpy landing than hit the trees). =20 Bill Bill, Good information Bill. Thanks. =20 You are flying a 320 airframe? If so, full flaps on your airframe are = (30 - 40 degrees?) significantly more than on a 235 airframe. As I have = mentioned several times on the LML top hinged (standard construction) = full flaps on the 235 are about 23 degrees static and about 19 degrees = in flight from neutral. I consider the difference noteworthy in pattern = flight. I wouldn't recommend 70-72 KIAS round out speed at 19 degrees = flaps. =20 Your info doesn't indicate whether you are solo or with passenger. In = my 235/320 (I never pull the throttle back to idle on final until on the = runway), with a passenger, I cross the fence at about 90 MPH (78 KIAS) = and round out in ground effect at 85 MPH (74 KIAS). 70-72 KIAS (81-83 = MPH) is the minimum I would ever use in the round out. That and = anything less and I risk dragging the rudder from the increased angle of = attack (ventral fin and shorter 235 gear legs). Gary Edwards LNC2 N21SN =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C4FC74.FC91B570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a fixed pitch prop on my 320. I think = I do=20 about 4-5 degree glide
with
idle, full-flap, and 72 KIAS. The = angle is an=20 estimate, but it is well over 3
degrees. I use 72 instead of 70 to = give a=20 little more energy for the round
out. Works okay and I've done it at = night=20 (we have a couple of trees on the
approach end and I'd rather risk a = bumpy=20 landing than hit the trees).

Bill

Bill,

Good information Bill. Thanks.

You are flying a 320 airframe? If so, full flaps on your = airframe are=20 (30 - 40 degrees?) significantly more than on a 235 airframe. As I = have=20 mentioned several times on the LML top hinged (standard construction) = full flaps=20 on the 235 are about 23 degrees static and about 19 degrees in = flight from=20 neutral. I consider the difference noteworthy in = pattern=20 flight. I wouldn't recommend 70-72 KIAS round out speed at 19 = degrees=20 flaps.

Your info doesn't indicate whether you are solo or with = passenger. =20 In my 235/320 (I never pull the throttle back to idle on final = until=20 on the runway), with a passenger, I cross the fence at about 90 MPH = (78=20 KIAS) and round out in ground effect at 85 MPH (74 KIAS). 70-72 = KIAS=20 (81-83 MPH) is the minimum I would ever use in the round out. That = and=20 anything less and I risk dragging the rudder from the increased angle of = attack=20 (ventral fin and shorter 235 gear legs).

Gary Edwards

LNC2 N21SN

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