Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:14:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 607176 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:04:42 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.204; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.8d.1e5b8e0b (4238) for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:04:05 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <8d.1e5b8e0b.2f195585@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:04:05 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Another LNC2 Down X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1105722245" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5000 -------------------------------1105722245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:55:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, skipslater@earthlink.net writes: One more comment on the 27R approach at Gillespie Field: In addition to PAPI, that runway has a 1300' displaced threshhold, expressly to provide additional terrain clearance for approaches over rising terrain to the east. Ignoring the PAPI is one thing, but to get so low as to hit a perimeter fence beyond a displaced threshhold, in clear weather no less, seems inconceivable to me. Bottom line (how many times have we heard this) is not to accept a bad approach. Clean it up while you're out far enough to safely do so or go around. Skip, RUNWAY 27R Latitude: 32-49.583183N Longitude: 116-57.854900W Elevation: 387.2 ft. Traffic pattern: left Runway heading: 269 magnetic, 282 true Displaced threshold: 1306 ft. Markings: nonprecision, in good condition Visual slope indicator: 4-light PAPI on left (4.50 degrees glide path) Approach lights: LDIN: lead-in light system NON-STANDARD COMBINATION REIL & LDIN. Runway end identifier lights: yes REIL OTS INDEFLY. Touchdown point: yes, no lights Instrument approach: _LOCALIZER_ (http://www.airnav.com/airport/SEE/ils/27R) Obstructions: 40 ft. road, 530 ft. from runway, 300 ft. right of centerline, 8:1 slope to clear APCH RATIO 45:1 TO DSPLCD THR. +10 FT SERVICE ROAD 20 FT FM RY THR 70 FT RIGHT. 4.5 degree glide path is steeper than the usual 3 degrees. Looking SW: If you want to see the topography: _http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=32.826231&lon=-116.97245_ (http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=32.826231&lon=-116.97245) Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) -------------------------------1105722245 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 1/14/2005 9:55:10 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 skipslater@earthlink.net writes:
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One more comment on the 27R approach at G= illespie=20 Field: In addition to PAPI, that runway has a 1300' displaced threshhold,=20 expressly to provide additional terrain clearance for approaches over risi= ng=20 terrain to the east.  Ignoring the PAPI is one thing, but t= o=20 get so low as to hit a perimeter fence beyond a displaced threshhold, in c= lear=20 weather no less, seems inconceivable to me.
   Bottom line (how many times=20= have we=20 heard this) is not to accept a bad approach.  Clean it up while=20 you're out far enough to safely do so or go=20 around.
Skip,
 
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RUNWAY 27R
Latitude:  32-49.583183N
Longitude:  116-57.854900W
Elevation:  387.2 ft.
Traffic pattern:  left
Runway heading:  269 magnetic, 282 true
Displaced threshold:  1306 ft.
Markings:  nonprecision, in good condition
Visual slope indicator:  4-light PAPI on left (4.50 degrees glide path)
Approach lights:  LDIN: lead-in light system
NON-STANDARD COMBINATION=20= REIL=20 & LDIN.
Runway end identifier lights: = ; yes
REIL OTS INDEFLY.
Touchdown point:  yes, no lights
Instrument approach:  LOCALIZER
Obstructions:  40 ft. road, 530 ft. from runway, 300 ft. right of=20 centerline, 8:1 slope to clear
APCH RATIO 45:1 TO DSPLCD THR.
+1= 0 FT=20 SERVICE ROAD 20 FT FM RY THR 70 FT RIGHT.
 
4.5 degree glide path is steeper than the usual 3 degrees.
 
Looking SW:
 
3D"Aerial
 
 
If you want to see the topography:
 
http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=3D32.826231&lon=3D-116.97245
 
 
 
 
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

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