Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 15:28:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-relay-2.tiscali.it ([213.205.33.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 605963 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 11:55:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=213.205.33.42; envelope-from=robert.overmars@tiscali.it Received: from trottolino (62.11.11.139) by mail-relay-2.tiscali.it (7.1.021.3) id 415D98510144399F for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 13 Jan 2005 17:54:36 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: <023301c4f991$a76e14c0$8b0b0b3e@interbusiness.it> From: "Robert Overmars" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Lead sleds cont. X-Original-Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 18:02:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0230_01C4F99A.07B070A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0230_01C4F99A.07B070A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Salutti tutti, continuing where I left off 2 nights ago: Lets just go back and have a look through Brent R's posting about a = hypothetical 28,500lb LIV. We've already established that it won't fly = at that weight, the wings have long since departed at an airload = somewhat less than 18,500lbs. As regards the "stall speed would equal Va = (172knots) at that weight" (28,500lbs) That's not the case either. = 28,500/2,900 =3D load factor of 9.82. Square root =3D 3.134, x original = clean stall speed lets say 80 knots, =3D 251 knots. Then Brent = continues with the mythical 200% (8.8G) ultimate load factor, which = doesn't exist and never has! Three bloopers in one posting. If I could receive a Kelly Johnson = inflation adjusted quarter for each blooper I could give up my day job. = Thanks Brent, I'll take Western Union.... Then a few days ago Lynn Farnsworth popped up with "Some of the = engineering has already been done. The IV at 3,550lbs is rated at +4.4 = and -2.2 Gs...." Oh ?? Another blooper if I ever heard one. Where's = the data?? Show the engineering details! Please send another Kelly = Johnson inflation adjusted quarter please. My apologies to the persons named, it's not the purpose of my posting to = embarrass anyone, rather to show the falacious comments that keep = recurring here on LML, some of which by virtue of being continually = repeated come to to be accepted as 'facts' The mythical 200% Ultimate = Load Factor is one myth that just doesn't seem to want to die. = Statements are made "some of the engineering has been done. The LIV at = 3,550lbs etc etc" is a meaningless statement without the engineering = evidence to back the statement. The sad part about such postings, when = repeated in one form or, they another come to be accepted as 'truths' by = persons who don't know better and even by those who should know better. = Please Please Please when posting back your statements with evidence... = or expect to keep paying me or others with Kelly Johnson inflation = adjusted quarters....if you don't I'll make a very good living thank you = very much. ciao Roberto d'Italia. ps, Western Union, Morlupo 00067 RM, Italy. Thanks Brent.... ------=_NextPart_000_0230_01C4F99A.07B070A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Salutti tutti,

continuing where I left off 2 nights=20 ago:

Lets just go back and have a look = through Brent R's=20 posting about a hypothetical 28,500lb LIV. We've already established = that it=20 won't fly at that weight, the wings have long since departed at an = airload=20 somewhat less than 18,500lbs. As regards the "stall speed would equal Va = (172knots) at that weight" (28,500lbs) That's not the case either. = 28,500/2,900=20 =3D load factor of 9.82. Square root =3D 3.134, x original clean stall = speed lets=20 say 80 knots, =3D 251 knots. Then Brent continues with the = mythical 200%=20 (8.8G) ultimate load factor, which doesn't exist and never = has!

Three bloopers in one posting. If I = could receive a=20 Kelly Johnson inflation adjusted quarter for each blooper I could give = up my day=20 job. Thanks Brent, I'll take Western Union....

Then a few days ago Lynn Farnsworth = popped up with=20 "Some of the engineering has already been done. The IV at 3,550lbs is = rated at=20 +4.4 and -2.2 Gs...." Oh ?? Another blooper if I ever heard=20 one. Where's the data?? Show the engineering=20 details! Please send another Kelly Johnson inflation = adjusted=20 quarter please.

My apologies to the persons named, it's = not the=20 purpose of my posting to embarrass anyone, rather to show the falacious = comments=20 that keep recurring here on LML, some of which by virtue of being = continually=20 repeated come to to be accepted as 'facts' The mythical 200% Ultimate = Load=20 Factor is one myth that just doesn't seem to want to die. Statements are = made=20 "some of the engineering has been done. The LIV at 3,550lbs etc etc" is = a=20 meaningless statement without the engineering evidence to back the = statement.=20 The sad part about such postings, when repeated in one form or,=20 they another come to be accepted as 'truths' by persons who don't = know=20 better and even by those who should know better. Please Please Please = when=20 posting back your statements with evidence... or expect to keep paying = me or=20 others with Kelly Johnson inflation adjusted quarters....if you = don't I'll=20 make a very good living thank you very much.

ciao

Roberto d'Italia.

ps, Western Union, Morlupo 00067 = RM, Italy.=20 Thanks Brent....

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