Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:30:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta13.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 605290 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:07:00 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.44; envelope-from=dfs155@adelphia.net Received: from f3g6s4 ([67.22.49.202]) by mta13.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20050113000630.ZOOC5807.mta13.adelphia.net@f3g6s4> for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 19:06:30 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <002901c4f904$1cb7a7c0$ca311643@losaca.adelphia.net> From: "Dan Schaefer" X-Original-To: "Lancair list" Subject: Re: Guys, again... X-Original-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 16:09:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Well, I waited a couple of days to see whether anyone would respond to Walt Dodson's post recommending that someone develop drooping ailerons for the IV-x. I'm surprised that one of our resident aerodynamicists didn't pick up on this one. Walt wrote: >>> I would suggest someone develop drooping ailerons which deploy about 6-7 degrees with T.O. flaps.>> I'm not so sure that's such a good idea, considering that presently, with the flaps deployed, the outer portion of the wing (with the ailerons in trail) remains at an effective lower angle of attack than the inboard section where the flaps are located. This may very well be a powerful safety feature of the wing (perhaps inadvertently, perhaps not - I haven't heard anyone speak of it before) that keeps the tips below the stall angle of attack and flying, when slow and heavy - like on take off or in the pattern for landing. Like my guru (from whom I really learned my trade - years spent in college aside) always maintained, when attempting to improve on a design, "You can never do just one thing - something else will always be affected, usually adversely and and unexpectedly". Since your butt will be in the airplane when testing your "just one thing" you just might, as a B-1 test pilot friend once put it, "Be the proud owner of some very interesting information that will do you absolutely no good after the crash". On the other hand, aircraft design is never improved unless some brave soul is willing to put his nugies on the line - and in this case, judging from the history of the IV getting away from even good pilots - it'll require some big ones. OK. Flame suit on. Dan Schaefer