Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta9.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 577904 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:09:24 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.199; envelope-from=glcasey@adelphia.net Received: from worldwinds ([70.32.213.236]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20041223140854.TIRR14945.mta9.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:08:54 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: Re: Electrical ignition and airspeed X-Original-Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 05:55:59 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal <> You are right on all counts, Rob. I was being a little loose with my calculations. First, I should have used TAS. The correction for pumping loss is probably appropriate as what we are trying to simulate is how much relative power is produced at different altitudes, all at WOT. To simulate that by testing at partial throttle introduces the error due to pumping loss. In other words the engine will produce more power at the same MAP when running at higher altitude than at lower altitude. <> Also exactly correct. How many times have we all heard "no reason to mess with that - the improvement is not measureable." The winners - in more than racing - do 100 things better, each of which produces an immeasurable improvement. For instance, electrical load is real. A 100W landing light consumes about 150 watts, or 0.2 hp. Will that 1/5 hp make the plane go faster? Absolutely, without a doubt. One could take the belt off the alternator to eliminate that loss. And remove the vacuum pump. Each will produce an immeasurable improvement. <> An interesting observation. However, one problem that I have observed in looking at POH performance is that in some cases it looks like the data was excessively extrapolated. Like they made a couple of measurements and then just filled out the rest of the chart. In the case you bring up the offset in manifold pressure readings is only 0.24 inches. Sounds more like someone was extrapolating to zero rather than giving actual data, as I don't see how the friction horsepower could be so low as to account for only .24 inches of manifold pressure. I previously guessed 4, which is probably on the high side. 2 or 3 might be more reasonable. Gary Casey