Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:08:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta9.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 576544 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:54:32 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.199; envelope-from=glcasey@adelphia.net Received: from worldwinds ([70.32.213.236]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20041222135402.UEID14945.mta9.adelphia.net@worldwinds> for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:54:02 -0500 From: "Gary Casey" X-Original-To: "lancair list" Subject: pressure tank (air/fuel separator) X-Original-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 05:41:09 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 <> The problem that I see is that you can't combine the ideas of a pressurized and vented tank. Without the vent the collected vapor won't go away and with the vent you can't pressurize the tank. Also, it would be nice to run the fuel return line to this tank rather than all the way back to the wing tank except you don't want to pressurize the return line. What we did at Mercury Marine was to incorporate a float valve just like in a carburetor where the float opened the vent when the fuel level dropped, expelling the vapor. If you did it this way and the electric pump failed the float would open the vent, allowing the engine pump to draw all the fuel from the header tank. Otherwise, the failure would have to be such that vapor (or liquid) could be drawn from the wing tanks. If you use a vent system and the electric pump failed open - the "normal" failure mode - the vent would allow air to enter the header tank, making all the remaining fuel unusable. If there was a blockage that caused the interruption the engine pump would be unable to pull fuel from the header tank without the header tank being vented. With an unvented tank it would likely prevent fuel delivery interruption during fuel tank changes, which I believe was the original intent. With no vent where would the trapped air go? Most likely after the engine was shut off the pressure would bleed off and the air would go out through the engine pump and back to the fuel tank, but only after a whole tank-full of air was collected. With the tank originally full of air and then pressurized to 35 psi it would remain about 1/3 full of air while running, which does provide an accumulator effect, making up for momentary flow interruptions in the supply. In summary, I'm not sure the header tank buys you enough to justify the cost, complexity and weight, although engine power interruption during fuel tank changes is also a bad thing. Gary Casey