Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:42:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [206.246.194.60] (HELO visi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 570515 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:38:26 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.246.194.60; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from [69.143.104.75] (HELO cp172883-b.arlngt01.va.comcast.net) by visi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2) with SMTP id 45172750 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:35:21 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bob Pastusek" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] Chelton vs Avidyne X-Original-Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:39:35 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <010701c4e3c8$7fe51360$6601a8c0@cp172883-b.arlngt01.va.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Mike Aarons wrote: Starting to think about a panel for my 4PT... Mike, There are several EFIS options available, and more coming monthly. The Chelton system is probably the "top of the line" in integrated systems available to experimentals today. Talk to Kirk Hammersmith (kirk@direct2avionics.com); www.direct2avionics.com, if you're looking at this system as he specializes in building panels around the Chelton. Kirk used to run the avionics shop at Lancair before starting his own business, and has been a very good man for us to work with over a number of years. Another to consider is OP Technologies. www.optechnologies.com I believe that Ed Smith in Chesapeake is using this system in his IV-P. He's still building like us, but has researched these things pretty well and might offer some other comparisons. Don't have any first-hand experience with them. We've installed a BlueMountain system in Jim White's IV-P and really like the layout and features. www.bluemountain.com Jim chose a dual screen layout to be able to fly easily from either seat, but the redundancy is only in the display; both are driven from the same processor and air data computer. We've not yet flown it (Spring of 05?) but the installation and ground checks so far are going well. Greg Richter at Bluemountain has also been very good to work with. His system is a lot less expensive than the Chelton, possibly the least expensive of the "full featured" systems now available for experimental aircraft, but it has some very nice extras, including an integrated autopilot. The other systems I've looked at fall "in between" in performance and capability. One disadvantage of any EFIS is that some failure modes can instantly blank a very large part of your instrumentation. All systems I've looked at have provisions to aleviate this, and the marketing hype would lead you to believe that they are immune to such failures, but my view is that it simply isn't so. That means you need to include reliable backups for critical instruments in your panel, and give serious thought about how you power and hook them up. This is an area where folks like Kirk Hammersmith, as well as some of the older heads on the LML, can really be of help. Even the "heavy iron" machines have problems with this--we had an alternator on each engine in the F-4 Phantom capable of carrying the full electrical load of the aircraft, and they were coupled with a fancy electronic interconnect that matched phase and frequency. The "standard procedure" for a lost alternator or part of the electrical system was to turn off the bad equipment and cycle the bus tie relay to reconnect the system components. The most likely result of this procedure (in my experience) was to knock the good alternator off the line--and a very dark airplane at night. Ditto for the A-6. So my panel is provided with dual, independent power sources, and (at least for now) they are not interconnected. Just one opinion and approach... Bob Pastusek