Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:09:19 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <5zq@cox.net> Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net ([68.230.240.33] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 546925 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:42:28 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.240.33; envelope-from=5zq@cox.net Received: from OFFICE ([68.110.249.147]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with SMTP id <20041127014157.LEC2374.lakermmtao06.cox.net@OFFICE> for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:41:57 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <002a01c4d422$23c7f4e0$6401a8c0@OFFICE> From: "Bill&Sue" <5zq@cox.net> X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LAHSO X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:40:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C4D3F8.3AC49B50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C4D3F8.3AC49B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Good Golly! What is a LASHO? Oh, you mean a LAHSO where one may = participate by LAHS. Yikes Scott, I used to be dyslexic, but I'm KO now! No flames for you, just a hot water bottle. How about a warm bottle of Scotch instead? Land 15 and hold short of 9 or land 9 and hold short of 18. Piece of = cake. I think I've got about 3500 feet in either case=20 Yep, not too many of us would have a problem getting a Lancair down = and stopped in 3500 feet. Like they say on TV, "but wait...there's = more". Once you accept a Land and Hold Short clearance, you have = accepted a RESTRICTION to LAND and Hold Short. 9,999 times out of 10,000 = there is no problem. But how about that time when you approach at just = the right speed, on profile, the weather is perfect...almost calm, just = a breath of a crosswind at 2 gusting to 3. You flair in the touchdown = zone, hold if off for that squeaker that you know is coming and WHAM, = your in the wake turbulence of that G-IV that landed and taxied off = before you were even on final. You're at 10 feet in a 45 degree bank. = Think it might be time for a go-around? Sorry...you have obligated = yourself to LAND and hold short. You are not just cleared to land, you = have a restriction to LAND. Even on the go-around you can't legally = cross the hold short runway. Is this scenario a long shot? You bet. Could it happen? Of course. = What are the chances of it happening on this landing? Small... really = small. What are the chances of it happening on one of your next 1,000 = landings? Somewhat greater. No matter how small, there is a risk, legal = or operational, that accepting this LAHSO clearance will bite you. That = is measured against the upside, i.e.; what you gain. As far as I can = see, you gain...nothing. So you're risking a small, but not = insignificant downside against a nonexistent upside. My bookie wouldn't = take that bet, neither will I. it has been a quiet holiday period here on the LML. Weather has been = forcing RTITYO (Reject Takeoffs Into That Yuck Operations) on me.=20 Yeah, especially considering that the recent formation clinic got = cancelled, we really need a good Lancair fly-out. How about the Bahamas? = Key West? San Diego? Mexico? Sue and I need a break this winter from = our IV building.=20 Bill Harrelson 5zq@cox.net N5ZQ 320 850+ hrs N6ZQ IV 0.006% ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C4D3F8.3AC49B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
Bill,
 
Good Golly!  What is a LASHO?  Oh, you mean a LAHSO = where one=20 may participate by LAHS.
Yikes Scott, I used to be dyslexic, but I'm = KO=20 now!
 
No flames for you, just a hot water bottle.
How about a warm bottle of Scotch=20 instead?
 
Land 15 and hold short of 9 or land 9 and hold short of 18.  = Piece=20 of cake.  I think I've got about 3500 feet in either case
Yep, not too many of us would have a = problem getting=20 a Lancair down and stopped in 3500 feet. Like they say on TV, "but=20 wait...there's more". Once you accept a Land and Hold Short clearance, = you=20 have accepted a RESTRICTION to LAND and Hold Short. 9,999 = times=20 out of 10,000 there is no problem. But how about that time when you = approach=20 at just the right speed, on profile, the weather is = perfect...almost=20 calm, just a breath of a crosswind at 2 gusting to = 3. You=20 flair in the touchdown zone, hold if off for that squeaker that you = know is=20 coming and WHAM, your in the wake turbulence of that G-IV that landed = and=20 taxied off before you were even on final. You're at 10 feet in = a 45=20 degree bank. Think it might be time for a go-around? Sorry...you have=20 obligated yourself to LAND and hold short. You are not just = cleared to=20 land, you have a restriction to LAND. Even on the go-around you can't = legally=20 cross the hold short runway.
 
Is this scenario a long shot? You bet. = Could it=20 happen? Of course. What are the chances of it happening on this = landing?=20 Small... really small. What are the chances of it happening on one of = your=20 next 1,000 landings? Somewhat greater. No matter how small, there is a = risk,=20 legal or operational, that accepting this LAHSO clearance will bite = you. That=20 is measured against the upside, i.e.; what you gain. As far as I can = see, you=20 gain...nothing. So you're risking a small, but not insignificant = downside=20 against a nonexistent upside. My bookie wouldn't take that bet, = neither will=20 I.
 
it has been a quiet holiday period here on the LML.  Weather = has=20 been forcing RTITYO (Reject Takeoffs Into That Yuck Operations) on=20 me. 
Yeah, especially considering that the = recent=20 formation clinic got cancelled, we really need a good Lancair fly-out. = How=20 about the Bahamas? Key West? San Diego? Mexico?  Sue and I = need a=20 break this winter from our IV building.
 
Bill Harrelson
5zq@cox.net
N5ZQ   320   850+=20 hrs
N6ZQ   =20 IV    0.006%
 
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