Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:16:14 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 536773 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:04:52 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.208; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v37_r3.8.) id q.9a.19c778dd (14374) for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:04:18 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <9a.19c778dd.2ecd5d22@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:04:18 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: VFR for flight testing (for LIVP, LIVPT) X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1100743458" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5000 -------------------------------1100743458 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you still interested, Besides what ever limitations (or opportunities) you have negotiated with the DAR or FAA airworthiness inspector, one must remember the following: AIM 3-2-2 Class A airspace, para b.Operating Rules and Pilot/Equipment Requirements: Unless otherwise authorized, all persons must operate their aircraft under IFR. ....... and Far part 91.167 through 91.193 Note: "Unless otherwise authorized" Far Part 91.169 IFR Flight Plan, Info Required: Unless otherwise authorized by ATC........................a.1 Info required under 91.153 (VFR flight plan, same "otherwise authorized by ATC").................................... 91.179 IFR Cruising Altitude or Flight Level a. In Controlled Airspace . ...............flight level assigned by ATC .............. If ATC assigns VFR on Top, ....maintain .............. as prescribed in 91.159 ............................. 91.159 VFR cruising altitude or flight level (note flight level). ...................or other authorized by ATC........................ b. When operating above 18000 MSL to flight level 290 inclusive ............... Seems to me the generous use of the phrase "Unless otherwise authorized by ATC" allows one to make the peculiar IFR/VFR request directly to a controller. Additionally, you may be assigned "VFR on top", even above 18000 feet, without a bottom - in which case you are operating on a IFR flight plan (or not, depending) under VFR (rules) in controlled airspace (class A) and chatting comfortably with ATC (assuming the pilot/equipment requirements are met unless otherwise authorized). I love this stuff. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR) Some Assembly Required Using Common Hand Tools And flexible rules. -------------------------------1100743458 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

For those of you still interested,

Besides what ever limitations (or opportunities) you have=20 negotiated with the DAR or FAA airworthiness inspector, one must= =20 remember the following:

AIM 3-2-2 Class A airspace, para b.Operating Rules and Pilot/Equipment=20 Requirements: Unless otherwise authorized, all persons must opera= te=20 their aircraft under IFR. ....... and Far part 91.167 through 91.193

Note: "Unless otherwise authorized"

Far Part 91.169 IFR Flight Plan, Info Required: Unless otherwise author= ized=20 by ATC........................a.1 Info required under 91.153 (VFR fligh= t=20 plan, same "otherwise authorized by=20 ATC")....................................

91.179 IFR Cruising Altitude or Flight Level a. In Controlled Airspace=20= .=20 ...............flight level assigned by ATC .............. If ATC assigns VF= R on=20 Top, ....maintain .............. as prescribed in 91.159 =20 .............................

91.159 VFR cruising altitude or flight level (note flight level).

...................or other authorized by ATC........................&n= bsp;=20 b. When operating above 18000 MSL to flight level 290 inclusive=20 ...............

Seems to me the generous use of the phrase "Unless otherwise authorized= by=20 ATC" allows one to make the peculiar IFR/VFR request directly to a=20 controller. Additionally, you may be assigned "VFR on top", even=20 above 18000 feet, without a bottom - in which case you are operating on a IF= R=20 flight plan (or not, depending) under VFR (rules) in controlled airspac= e=20 (class A) and chatting comfortably with ATC (assuming the pilot/equipment=20 requirements are met unless otherwise authorized).

I love this stuff.

Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR)

Some Assembly Required=20
Using Common Hand Tools

And flexible rules.

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