Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:56:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com ([205.158.62.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.5) with ESMTP id 533164 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:52:05 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.158.62.67; envelope-from=cfi@instructor.net Received: from wfilter.us4.outblaze.com (wfilter.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.180]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id C3EE718001BA for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:51:35 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.178) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Nov 2004 15:51:06 -0000 Received: by ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 381DE79009C; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:51:04 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [63.147.78.27] by ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com with http for cfi@instructor.net; Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:51:04 -0700 From: "Ron Galbraith" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:51:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: VFR for flight testing X-Originating-Ip: 63.147.78.27 X-Originating-Server: ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com X-Original-Message-Id: <20041115155104.381DE79009C@ws1-14.us4.outblaze.com>

> Posted for "Jim Auman" :
>
>= ; You cannot be above Flight level 180 (in Controlled Airspace) unless you = are
> on an IFR flight plan. Controlled airspace is Class A airspace= .

Well, not exactly. All classes of airspace are controlled ai= rspace except Class G. You only have to be on an IFR flight plan in C= lass A airspace (formerly called Positive Controlled Airspace or PCA). = ; Controlled airspace is where we as air traffic controllers will provide s= ervice for IFR aircraft including terrain avoidance (and the VFR cloud sepa= ration minimums are different). As a side note, Class A airspace end= s at FL600. I've had many U2's, and SR71's above FL600, cancel = IFR and go VFR, or OTP. Seems a little strange but quite legal. =

The original meaning of "VFR" for flight testing of experim= ental airplanes meant VFR weather conditions. Somewhere along t= he line it apparently has been re-interpreted by some FISDO's as VFR flight= rules, meaning non IFR, non class A airspace.

OK, on a side note.......when you are talking to tower or approach contr= ol and will be landing at a towered airport within that approach control, y= ou need to state that you are an experimental. Once you are in = the enroute environment, it is not required or necessary to state that you = are experimental. When you are talking to the enroute guys, just call= yourself a Lancair (or November). The best way to handle this = is when you file your flight plan, just put experimental in remarks. = That way the information is automated to the guys who need that information= (the ones at the tower). The enroute guys could care less, and don't= need to know that you are an experimental. It's more important to kn= ow what type of aircraft you are. Use the right type designator= when you file, or tell the controller what type aircraft you are = ;too. LNC2, LNC4, LNCE, etc.

Ron Galbraith

LNCE-N5ES MasterCFI(27 years), air traffic contr= oller (22 years)

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