Return-Path: Received: from [69.171.36.121] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.3) with HTTP id 432623 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:18:40 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: So Has Anybody Fully Stalled These Things? To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.3 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 01:18:40 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <014a01c4a36e$9a45eb20$0200a8c0@VAIO> References: <014a01c4a36e$9a45eb20$0200a8c0@VAIO> X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Bryan J. Burr" : Well said Mike. I have been travelling a lot and have followed this discussion but have not been able to offer my input. I have done several stalls. Clean, dirty, power on, power off. All at high altitude. Never have I had anything but a very gentle break preceded by a slight buffet. I have had very small loss of altitude and easy recovery. I have practiced landings at 85 kts, 80 kts, 75 kts, 70 kts. No flaps, 1/2 flaps, full flaps. For me, my ES, does best with 82 kts over the fence and 75 kts at flare, Full Flaps. Touch down is almost unnoticable at 68-65 kts. My stall speed in this configuration is 58 kts. On takeoff I rotate at 72 kts. Accelerate to 90 kts climb 200 ft accelerate to 140 kts and continue my climb at 900 fpm to altitude. I have wings that had 2.0 plus degrees difference in incidence. We must remember that the tools we have to measure this are crude at best. Basically a blueprint that is transferred to a template (1/2" plywood) that is cut with a jig saw. After placing the template on the wing at the appropriate BL and comparing the two wings. The airplane is leveled using any variety of means. Mine was using a transit. Who's to say what the real difference is other than that they are different. My airplane rolled to the right at 10/sec. After installing the banana bracket eccentrics (I raised the right wing incidence and lowered the left wing incidence) the roll was eliminated. I feel Tim Ong did a great job in supporting this problem. As a note, at the same time that I was having this problem Mark Manke had just solved the identical problem on a IV P (Turbine I think). He used the eccentric solution as well. Bryan Burr N132BB Super ES