Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #25767
From: Halle, John <JJHALLE@stoel.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: AOA, stalls etc
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:20:45 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
You're right.  Age does things to memory.  According to the T-2B/C NATOPS, the stall speed is 88 kts. with 2K# of fuel and 0 degrees of bank.  Same setup at  30 degrees of bank, stall speed is 94.  Fifteen units AOA with 2K# of fuel is 103 kts.  Difference is 9 kts in the approach and 15 on final.  Still a long way from what anyone should be using for a Lancair approach speed.  Most importantly, 15 units AOA is equivalent to a speed at which sink rate cannot be reduced with stick.  The only way to do it is with power and in some of the a/c I flew, power response was a lot less than instantaneous. AOA picked up sink much quicker than an airspeed indicator and allowed quicker, and therefore smaller power adjustments.
 
Lancair teaches a 100 kt. approach speed all the way to flare.  With 300 hrs + in the airplane, I now use 90 on short final in smooth air and, if I am going into a short strip, 85.  In rough air, I am at 100 the whole way.  That's 41 kts. over my stall speed.  I could easily pull 2G on flare and not stall.  For that kind of approach, an airspeed indicator works fine.
-----Original Message-----
From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com [mailto:VTAILJEFF@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AOA, stalls etc

In a message dated 9/23/2004 12:19:28 PM Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes:
Comments from a former nasal radiator:  we used AOA for approaches flown
so
as to be able to land on aircraft carriers.  Approach speed was two-three
knots above 1G stall speed and was the speed at which ANY elevator input
increased sink rate. 
Perhaps your memory is a little off... but "on speed" AOA was not 2 to 3 knots above 1 G stall speed. If that was the case, I would have had to use the Martin Baker alternate landing device many times. :)
 
Regards,
 
Jeff Edwards
A-6 bomardier/ navigator
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