Return-Path: Received: from [161.88.255.139] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2.2) with HTTP id 426998 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:18:51 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: AOA, stalls etc To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2.2 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:18:51 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB6072198055@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> References: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB6072198055@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Halle, John" : Comments from a former nasal radiator: we used AOA for approaches flown so as to be able to land on aircraft carriers. Approach speed was two-three knots above 1G stall speed and was the speed at which ANY elevator input increased sink rate. Maintining that angle of attack was like trying to balance a billiard ball on top of another billiard ball. In my Legacy, I believe the equivalent airspeed is around 60-62 kts., give or take one or two for weight. If you don't intend to fly approaches at that speed (and your landing gear hopes you don't) you don't need angle of attack on approach. More important, to avoid inadvertent stall/spin situations, you need to have a "feel" for an incipient stall. Relying on an instrument to tell you what you should be finding out from your fingertips is a poor substitute because it takes longer and only works when you happen to be looking at the AOA. Every Navy a/c I flew (except, I think, the T-34) was equipped with an AOA. We used it for approach but we did not use it for ACM or other maneuvers requiring flight close to stall. You simply had too many other things to look at (most of all your adversary) to spend time staring at the AOA. Finally, instinct is king. One tenth of a second before you stall, you are in unstalled flight. To get back to that condition, all you have to do is unload a little G. This is true at any positive G level (also at negative G levels but you have to remember how to unload; an a/c at zero G cannot stall) and can be done instantly. Unless you have simply slammed in back stick, it doesn't take much unload. Unfortunately, and particularly close to the ground, the natural instinct is to "pull up" to avoid ground contact. Nothing could be worse. If you really worry about stalls, buy an ACM course from the Marchetti folks and bend the a/c around a bit. It's a great demonstration of how you can fly in and out of stalls with minor changes in stick pressure.