Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:11:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.38] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2889380 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:32:37 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.8.) id q.9.1e6fa284 (4410) for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:32:32 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <9.1e6fa284.2d0cb540@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:32:32 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flying Cost per hour? X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1071340352" X-Mailer: Thailand for Windows sub 280 -------------------------------1071340352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/13/2003 9:27:28 AM Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes: What do you all charge yourselves per hour (honestly) for flying your airplanes these days? Stu, Per Hr Direct costs. $00.40 Oil at 1 qt every 10 hrs,$4/qt $01.25 8 qts/change @ 40 hours & filter ($18) = $50 $27.50 AvGas 10 gph @ $2.75/gal ----------- $29.15 Hourly Based on 250 hours flown per year $11.40 Insurance $1M, $110K on Hull $04.48 Hangar Common Area Assoc fees & Ins. $00.00 Hangar bldg, worth more than I paid, Value approx $50,000 $01.20 Hangar Utilities (gas and electricity) $03.78 Nav Data (G430), flight planner, charts & plates. $06.00 Avionics reserve/instruments Maintenance & required checks. $08.00 Engine Reserve, all possibilities. $04.00 Propeller Reserve, my personal experience should raise this #. $02.00 Annual Inspection (tires, brakes, chemicals, miscellaneous) $00.00 General Maint and upkeep Labor costs (I do it for nothing). ------------ $40.86 Indirect costs ======= $70.01/hr Total costs for my 320. Honestly! $55.00 per hour Dishonestly (actual money out of my pocket in a typical 250 hour year). I figured my old Skymaster at $136/hr (its' now in Suriname). Neither number adds in $90 Hamburgers, tie down fees, motel rooms, lousy dinners, car rentals, race fees, vinyl race numbers, oxygen as needed, nationwide phone service, sun lotion, EAA and AOPA fees, any unknown costs (see foot note), et cetera, et cetera........ Scott Krueger Sky2high@aol.com II-P N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR) "...as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know." D. Rumsfeld -------------------------------1071340352 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 12/13/2003 9:27:28 AM Central Standard Time,=20 marv@lancaironline.net writes:

<= FONT=20 face=3DArial>What do you all charge yourselves per hour (honestly) for fly= ing=20 your
airplanes these days?

Stu,

Per Hr Direct costs.

$00.40 Oil at 1 qt every 10 hrs,$4/qt

$01.25 8 qts/change @ 40 hours & filter ($18= ) =3D=20 $50

$27.50 AvGas 10 gph @ $2.75/gal

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$29.15

Hourly Based on 250 hours flown per year

$11.40 Insurance $1M, $110K on Hull

$04.48 Hangar Common Area Assoc fees & Ins.

$00.00 Hangar bldg, worth more than I paid, Value approx=20 $50,000

$01.20 Hangar Utilities (gas and electricity)

$03.78 Nav Data (G430), flight planner, charts &=20 plates.

$06.00 Avionics reserve/instruments Maintenance & requi= red=20 checks.

$08.00 Engine Reserve, all possibilities.

$04.00 Propeller Reserve, my personal experience should rai= se=20 this #.

$02.00 Annual Inspection (tires, brakes, chemicals,=20 miscellaneous)

$00.00 General Maint and upkeep Labor costs (I do it for=20 nothing).

------------

$40.86 Indirect costs

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

$70.01/hr Total costs for my 320. Honestly!

$55.00 per hour Dishonestly (actual money out of my pocket in a typical= 250=20 hour year). I figured my old Skymaster at $136/hr (its' now in=20 Suriname).

Neither number adds in $90 Hamburgers, tie down fees, motel rooms, lous= y=20 dinners, car rentals, race fees, vinyl race numbers, oxygen as needed,=20 nationwide phone service, sun lotion, EAA and AOPA fees, any unknown co= sts=20 (see foot note), et cetera, et cetera........=20

Scott=20 Krueger
Sky2high@aol.com
II-P N92EX IO320 Aurora, IL (KARR)

"..= .as=20 we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also k= now=20 there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do= not=20 know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't=20 know." D. Rumsfeld

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