Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:31:27 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.121.226] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2880450 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 16:53:55 -0500 Received: from h-67-100-130-44.phlapafg.dynamic.covad.net ([67.100.130.44] helo=earthlink) by cardinal.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AT6qZ-0005tO-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:53:47 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <005401c3bd0c$c8060200$6401a8c0@net.mindspring.com> From: "Scott Turner" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] De-ice System on IV P X-Original-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:55:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C3BCE2.DD30CEA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C3BCE2.DD30CEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really appreciate your response to my question. Your overall = responses were quite consistent and not what I would have expected. In = essence, the way I interpret your responses is: If you fly in areas of = freezing levels, no matter how hard you try to avoid icing, You Will = Encounter It. The good part is that, IF the engine, prop and static = ports can continue to operate, the airplane has the ability to function = with rime icing long enough to get down or up through or away from it. = The least important priority of fixes to the airplane is wing and = horizontal de-icing. The IV P I am building will have an Aero Composite prop so it may work = like the MT prop, in that it doesn't ice up as much as an aluminum prop. = Aero Composite Corp. is , as I understand it, working towards getting = some sort of anti-icing capability. The engine is another issue but I = believe that it is far less involved to get it to be reliable under = icing conditions as putting anti-icing on the wings and horizontal stab. = I already have alternate static air built in. To me, there is nothing more valuable than to hear from those with first = hand experience. That is what you have given us - true nuts and bolts = information. If you, or anyone else, have any further comments - please = come forth. Thank you very much,=20 Scott Turner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Scott Turner=20 To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: [LML] De-ice System on IV P I am pondering whether to install a de-icing system on the IV P I am = building. Relatively recently Ice Management Systems de-icing system = became available. It seems to be a good approach, in that it draws a = reasonable amount of DC power, requires no consumable fluids and does = not add a substantial amount of weight to the aircraft. =20 I am building my IV P to be a traveling aircraft. I have no = intentions to encounter known icing but rather consider having such a system as a safeguard in the = event that rime ice builds from, for example, descending through a cloud layer for an = approach. In that the=20 IV P utilizes laminar flow, as I understand it, a small amount of ice = could become a=20 substantial hazard. I am a near 700-hour pilot and have never = encountered icing but also never got much into winter cross-country flying. =20 For those of you who are veterans of winter cross-country flying - is = installing such a system something that should be seriously considered? =20 Your comments would be most welcome regarding this subject. =20 95% done with about 6 months to go! =20 Thanks, Scott Turner =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C3BCE2.DD30CEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I really appreciate your response to my = question.  Your overall responses were quite consistent and not = what I=20 would have expected.  In essence, the way I interpret your = responses=20 is:  If you fly in areas of freezing levels, no matter how hard you = try to=20 avoid icing, You Will Encounter It.  The good part is that, IF the = engine,=20 prop and static ports can continue to operate, the airplane has the = ability to=20 function with rime icing long enough to get down or up through or away = from=20 it.   The least important = priority of=20 fixes to the airplane is wing and horizontal de-icing.
 
The IV P I am building will have an = Aero Composite=20 prop so it may work like the MT prop, in that it doesn't ice up as much = as an=20 aluminum prop.  Aero Composite Corp. is , as I understand it, = working=20 towards getting some sort of anti-icing capability.  The engine is = another=20 issue but I believe that it is far less involved to = get it to be=20 reliable under icing conditions as putting anti-icing on the wings and=20 horizontal stab.  I already have alternate static air built=20 in.
 
To me, there is nothing more valuable = than to hear=20 from those with first hand experience.  That is what you have given = us -=20 true nuts and bolts information.  If you, or anyone else, have any = further=20 comments - please come forth.
 
Thank you very much,
     Scott = Turner
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Scott=20 Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, = 2003 4:26=20 PM
Subject: [LML] De-ice System on = IV=20 P

I am pondering whether to install a de-icing = system on=20 the IV P I am building. =20 Relatively recently Ice Management Systems de-icing system = became=20 available. It seems to be a good approach, in that it draws a = reasonable=20 amount of DC power, requires no consumable fluids and does not add a=20 substantial amount of weight to the aircraft.

 

I am building my IV P to be a traveling = aircraft.  I have no intentions to = encounter=20 known

icing but rather consider having such a = system as a=20 safeguard in the event that rime ice

builds from, for example, descending through = a cloud=20 layer for an approach.  = In that=20 the

IV P utilizes laminar flow, as I understand = it, a=20 small amount of ice could become a

substantial hazard.  I am a near 700-hour pilot = and have=20 never encountered icing but also

never got much into winter cross-country=20 flying.

 

For those of you who are veterans of winter=20 cross-country flying =96 is installing such a system something that = should be=20 seriously considered?

 

Your comments would be most welcome = regarding this=20 subject.

 

95% done with about 6 months to = go!

 

Thanks, =20 Scott Turner

 

 

 

 

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