Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:51:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta1.wss.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.85.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2800594 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:39:02 -0500 Received: from paul (209.234.196.16) by mta1.wss.scd.yahoo.com (7.0.016) (authenticated as naf@britevalley.com) id 3FCE43390018B0A7 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:38:57 -0800 From: "Paul Nafziger" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Landing F-104's Real Deadstick. X-Original-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:38:43 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <001a01c3bbfe$47961010$4f00a8c0@paul> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > One of my fellow members at the Thunderbird field EAA=20 > mentioned about really dead-sticking a 104. He believes that=20 > it is the only case of one making it to the ground without a=20 > turbine spinning in one piece. Actually there were a number of them at Edwards when guys couldn't get = the engines started after a zoom maneuver, but that was a situation where = the eventuality was prebriefed and the profile intentionally flown as if the engine wouldn't relight anyway. Totally unlike your friend's = experience. I can't imagine trying to make a random field without warning. Not much margin for error. I wasn't aware until now that it had been done successfully outside controlled conditions. Paul Nafziger LNC2 N7PN =20