Return-Path: Received: from [65.173.216.66] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.1.3) with HTTP id 2580091 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:55:22 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Gross Weight & Balance of IV-P Tacoma Narrows Bridge To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.1.3 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000401c37ba0$6a507f30$58879118@NOTEBOOK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Joseph Trepicone" : (marv if this is not an appropriate post feel free to disregard it) [ nuked your mpeg file, but here is a link to its source and another links found from google when I was searching for your movie's source. http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/Exhibits/Tacoma_Narrows/ http://www.ketchum.org/bridgecollapse.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structure/tacoma_narrows.html -Rob ] Brent's example of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge is excellent and I thank him for it. For what it's worth I could not agree with the point of his post more. However I'm not sure it is really a completely appropriate example in the case of overloading an aircraft. It is true that the bridge suffered from the engineer's (Leon Moisseiff) lack of consideration of the aerodynamic forces on the bridge design. The violent oscillation which led to it's demise had little to do with additional live load but rather was due to wind-induced vibrations. From this tragedy much was learned about the proportions of bridge design - length, width, and depth. The fact is the bridge would have failed with no live load at all. Thanks Brent for this eye opening example. I'm including a small video clip for those interested. Joe Trepicone IVPT