Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #19127
From: George Braly <gwbraly@gami.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] LOP FLOP, ROP FOP Query for Guru(s)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:22:18 -0400
To: <lml>
 
>> “Prop efficiency goes down after 2500 rpm.”  Even though Klaus runs rings around larger engined planes when he is operating in excess of 3000 rpm?  Does the efficiency go down, but thrust HP is increased?  Am I losing power by operating at 2660 rpm (a felt sweet spot)?  <<
 
Prop efficiency is a very complicated issue.   Depends on a whole lot of factors - - including RPM, HP, diameter, Mach number, air density.... advance ratio,  and more.
 
You can get more thrust at the higher RPM because you make more horsepower at the higher RPM.  One can do this in spite of the lower prop efficiency at the higher RPM.  
 
  1. What is 75% power for my Lycoming I/O 320 engine equipped with a 70 inch Hartzell constant speed prop?  I have made the following adjustments:

        By definition,  75% power in the airplane world is any power setting at which the engine produces torque at an RPM to generate a horsepower that is  0.75 x the max rated horsepower.  It has nothing to do wit your prop - - whatever size it is.

        By the way,  "percent power" numbers are largely over emphasized in the minds of pilots.

           >> Different pistons were used to raise the compression ratio from 8.5 to 9:1.  How was that done?  Did it reduce my cubic inches or somehow increase the stroke?  <<

            No.  The change in piston height to go from 8.5:1 to 9:1 is very small.   In fact, the "swept volume" remains the same.  We are talking about changes in piston height on the order of 20 or 30 thousandths of an inch.

         >> A non-filtered induction ram air system is used which raises the manifold pressure 1.5” Hg at 180 KIAS (195 KTAS).  What affect is this on power charts or do I just artificially add1500 feet to the chart scale?  <<

            We teach you how to calculate power for your engine without reference to a power chart of any kind - - (you can, ultimately, do it in your head) during the APS course.   Here is the theory.  ROP - - power is almost entirely determined by mass airflow through the engine - - - which in turn is almost entirely proportional to RPM and MP.   A 10% drop in MP will get you a 10% drop in horsepower to a surprisingly close degree.      Thus, if you open the alt air ram door and get a 5% increase in MP - - then you will get a 5% increase in HP - - - when ROP, and all else the same.

>>    a.   The added LASAR ignition system has 2 effects:

  1.  A hotter spark, burning more fuel in the cylinder.  The consequences are a 15-20 degree rise in cylinder head temps and a 90-degree reduction in EGTs.  This seems to lead to increased torque, thus increased thrust HP because the prop pitch is increased to retain the RPM.  This is seen as a sprightlier take-off run, a higher climb rate and better general performance.  What is the affect on determining % power?   <<
    Huge misconception here.  "hotter sparks" - - means a higher voltage longer duration spark.  DOES NOT BURN MORE FUEL.  That is marketing hype.  The 15-20 degree rise in CHT and the 90 degree reduction EGTs is due to ONE AND ONLY ONE THING  - - a bad thing - - at that.  
 
If  I take any stock IO-320/360/540 and if I advance the timing a few degrees it will raise the CHT 15 to 30 degrees and it will drop the EGTs by 50 to 100F.   That is the ONLY effect you are seeing.   Repeat - - the ONLY effect - - - has nothing to do with "hotter sparks".
 
MOST of these engines are already  OVER TIMED on takeoff with stock factory timing.   Advancing the timing further - - at least at sea level on a standard day - - is probably counter productive with respect to HP... and it is guaranteed to substantially increase the peak internal cylinder pressures in an undesirable manner.
 
 >> ii.       At some RPM/MAP point, the “spark” is advanced, resulting in higher power and more efficiency.  How does this affect % power at full power and best power?  What is the affect when running LOP?
    1. The addition of a harmonic dampener, which for fixed pitch props generally, increases the full power rpm by 100.  Does this improve my power also by increasing the flywheel affect (allowing an     increase in prop pitch to retain rpm)?   <<
            At this point,  your curiosity is getting beyond what I can do without a charts and graphs.    When operating LOP at altitude, properly advancing the spark timing (PROPERLY) will improve the Hp by as much as 3 to 5%  - -  essentially for free in that it does not require more gasoline.
 
 

>>  Another words, what are the gross parameters I can use to operate LOP?  What are the steps I can use when operating ROP and how many degrees (EGT) rich at certain power levels. <<

    We spend about  6 hours on this subject and about 40 power point slides and throw in a test stand run from the engine test stand - - to properly answer that question.

 >>  With the above listed modifications that appear to affect power, should I increase the takeoff fuel flow to something greater than its current 15.1 gph? <<

       Probably.  Almost certainly.  But without more and better data, one can't say for certain.   You need a takeoff  BSFC of up around 0.6 on the Lycoming NA engines. Maybe higher with the high compression piston and the spark advance.

 >>  Someone help us little guys with answers to our questions!  How else can we achieve harmony with the universe? Huh? Huh?  <<

        Darn... harmony with the universe ?   That is above my pay grade!

Regards,  George

 

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