Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #17425
From: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: ice
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 10:33:05 -0500
To: <lml>
Posted for "clark baker" <cbaker9@nyc.rr.com>:


Was the position of your elevator normal or did I see a very large
amount of nose-down elevator in compensation for the ice?  If yes,
please tell us more about the handling.  Did the wing ice create nose-up
pitching?  Did the tail ice create greater aerodynamic negative angle of
incidence compensated by the added down elevator?

Scott Krueger<<

Scott, I noticed the large nose-down position of the elevator also (in
the picture).  Due to the significant negative effects the ice buildup
created, we did not feel like exploring the handling envelope.  However,
I can make several observations:
- First, I was shocked at how rapidly the ice accumulated- almost
like we went from no ice to noticeable ice.  I would equate the
size/shape of the ice buildup on the wing to a broomstick handle, cut in
half, glued to the leading edge.  The ice buildup on the tail appeared
moderately greater (which I understand is quite common).  The ice
formation was much different than another ice encounter (more gradual
buildup) that produced a much more uniform coating on the leading edge
(which had only a slight negative effect on performance).
- The speed/performance decay was quite surprising (at
approximately 9k msl).  The 45kt loss in speed may have been a slight
exaggeration, but the decline was at least +30kts.
- The handling/performance felt very sluggish/heavy.  We did not
notice anything else that unusual, including the large nose-down
elevator position.  I have the Mark II tail, which has fairly powerful
trim capabilities, so we may have unconsciously trimmed that effect away
- I do not know how much of the performance loss was due to
propeller ice (I have the MT 3 blade), although studies by Cessna show
that propeller ice is a noticeable, but NOT substantial, part of the
performance loss. I am not an engineer, and am also curious what aerodynamic effect may
have been responsible for the unusual elevator position.
Regards,
Clark Baker
N250JF
LNC2 360

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