Return-Path: Received: from www.sequoianet.com (ns.sequoianet.com [206.242.77.3]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:20:40 -0500 Received: from inet001.cardell.com (INET001.sequoianet.com [207.87.248.2]) by www.sequoianet.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-51638U1000L1000S0) with SMTP id AAA195 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 10:27:07 -0500 Received: from ccMail by inet001.cardell.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.00.01) id AA916670199; Mon, 18 Jan 99 10:27:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9901189166.AA916670199@inet001.cardell.com> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 99 09:29:43 -0500 From: To: Subject: Re:Flutter X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> To those of you wrestling with how to add the anti-flutter bid schedule allow me to cast some doubt into your decision. I spoke with Martin about a year ago to discuss his findings (just published at the time) about the 360 tail flutter. His analysis consisted of two activities, an FEA and subsequent ground test of the structure and an aerodynamic analysis that was not validated in flight. The FEA tells us what the natural frequencies of the structure are which are irrelevant absent the excitation frequencies to be furnished by the aerodynamic model. So far, so good. The achilles heel of Martin's analysis in my view is that the aerodynamic model was not (and could not be reasonably) validated. His published results predicted a very low flutter speed of around 150 ktas (I'm going from memory so you should read his report). Since we have not lost an airplane (and were his speed predictions correct we would have, right?) I conclude that his aerodynamic model is not representative of our airplane. I invite anyone to challenge this logic, I am not an aeronautical engineer. For this reason, I believe that adding bid tapes is fixing a problem that doesn't exist in the flight regimes we're using. They add weight and might cause unwanted side effects. Lance's analysis may or may not be flawed but it the results it gives approximates actual events better. Regards, Ed de Chazal